Talk:Trad jazz

useless haggling about terminology

why all this useless haggling about whether the term "trad jazz" is "valid"? it's the same on the dixieland wiki, and the [non]discussion seems initiated by people who know nothing about music.

the paragraph about the opinionated dichotomy about why 'trad jazz' is somehow 'invalid' is a train wreck. it's pitiful. first of all, so-called jazz is not a "folk music tradition like any other." peasants don't just grab a saxophone and start playing bebop. secondly, jazz is not somehow antithetic to "conventions." like any FORMAL ARTISTIC IDIOM OR SET OF IDIOMS, it has conventions. furthermore, you could even consider "breaking loose from convention" a kind of TRADITION in various regional arts.

not to be mean but it's like the peanut gallery has nothing to contribute other than totally vacuous hagglings over terminology. it's totally vacuous people-- please do some research or put some effort into formulating some actually useful encyclopedic ideas.

Only British Commonwealth?

Is trad jazz only in British Commonwealth nations? I thought for sure I've heard of musicians in the US and Eastern Europe referred as of this genre.--T. Anthony 15:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Not very good definition

Actually not very useful. "Trad Jazz" is a term used to describe the West Coast bands which originated with Lu Watters (1939, q.v. on Wiki) and have followed his lead, by using traditional instruments from the 20's -- notably Banjo and Tuba. This distinction is carried forth by Jazz Festivals and Jazz Clinics/Camps throughout the world. The website www.RedHotJazz.com defines the genre by example, and I am currently writing a short exposition on my new website for the Colorado Nighthawks (not yet published) I have been playing jazz on ukulele, guitar and plectrum banjo since 1949 and I am certainly qualified to discuss it!! Right now, I'm busy getting the website ready to publish, but I will come back with a better description when I get some time. ```` Rick Jolley (rickz@usermail.com)

"traditional jazz"

"Trad jazz which is shorthand for "traditional jazz" (although that term is never actually used) "

Never? really? The ACTUAL TERM is never used and only the shorthand? I NEVER say 'Trad jazz', it's like saying 'prog rock' (I say progressive); it just sounds stupid to me; like you're too lazy to finish the whole word (that's just my opinion). My point is: Although using the shorthand is popular, it doesn't mean no one uses the full term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.121.158 (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Lazyness

If your adding a load of commemts why dont you tdy it up yourself?

P.S.Not person who wrote this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.210.173 (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

It's Mainly a Question of Etymology

I'm not sure that I follow what has been said, and what that may mean, on this Edit page. But "Trad Jazz" as opposed to "Traditional Jazz" IS something specific. "Traditional Jazz" is a term from the 1930s used to describe small groups playing in an older style of jazz during the Swing Era, i.e. Bob Crosby's Bob Cats, Lu Watters, etc. The term "Dixieland" is not wholly synonymous with "Traditional Jazz" because Dixieland was a post-war development and concurrently a more modernized form of that music. "Trad Jazz" is specifically English, though the sound did travel elsewhere to France and Eastern Europe. It is the English mirror to Dixieland and it is lighter, less complex and more formal than American Dixieland. Additionally, Trad Jazz musicians tended to come from working class backgrounds, whereas the musicians with Ted Heath and in major radio/television orchestras in Britain usually had contact with at least some formal training. Trad also has a much stronger relationship with British rock than American Dixieland does -- several members of the Rolling Stones and other early English Beat groups had previously played in Trad Jazz groups, whereas in America the connection between Dixieland and early rock is slim indeed, mainly through the Boogie Woogie end of it. IMHO, this article should be limited mainly to English and European "Trad" and should not get tripped up on the fact that "Trad" is shorthand for "Traditional" -- the two words do not the same meaning in this case. The term "Traditional Jazz," incidentally, does get some usage even in present times. But jazz before the Swing Era was simply called "Jazz" originally, so the terms "Early Jazz" or even "Classic Jazz" are more commonly used today to describe the music in its pre-1929 phases.Pinikadia 16:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

First sentence

The article is derailed from the beginning. The first sentence has to do a better job of defining the genre, assuming this article is claiming "trad jazz" is a genre. The first sentence throws together dixieland and ragtime, which are not interchangeable. I have also seen the term "New Orleans jazz" used. Then throw in "traditional". These are thorny problems. Articles that presume to take them on should be much more careful. Better to have no article than a muddled one.
Vmavanti (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2019 (UTC)