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Extremely prejudiced editor[edit]

Maharishi Effect theory deleted -- The theory is proposed by Maharishi, who has a degree in physics, and by other widely published physicists. It is rationally based on theories of physics, and it is un-ethical to deliberately hide the proposal from the public, even if you don't agree with it, but the extremist editors here consistently try to stifle the fact that the theory is based on a rational understanding of physics, and instead call it 'paranormal'. It is not paranormal, there are fields (or rather, oceans) at the basis of existence that every credible physicist recognizes. Research has been published in credible peer-reviewed journals in which this field-effect theory has been proposed. The editors here are constantly trying to mis-inform the public about these theories, and respond with insults and inappropriate deletions on a regular basis. This extreme prejudice is putting Wikipedia into complete dis-repute, and calls into question the value of this encyclopedia, which is now being used to promote an extremist and prejudiced agenda, which is largely just personal opinion. The fact that it was all taken out because one sentence, mentioning Maharishi's qualifications in physics, shows an extreme and aggressive prejudice and propaganda by the editors, and this person should be taken to task by Wikipedia. This type of extremism has no place on Wikipedia. Everything I could was referenced to credible sources. You cannot delete the whole thing. You can only put a mark where something needs to be referenced, and I will put the reference in there. Please re-insert the text, and put in 'needs citation' on sentences that need them, If any sentences are not backed up with credible sources I will delete the sentence, but please use "needs citation" instead of vandalizing the whole paragraph. Please state which specific parts need citations. Please don't tell me the fact that Maharishi has a degree in physics is not relevant when it is necessary to point such facts out in what is clearly a theory based on the findings of modern physics, especially when the editors sole goal is to mis-inform the public on what the theory is. The reason that they do not want the public to read about this theory, is that it is a completely rational theory. See my explanation below that was deleted. You are making a sham of Wikipedia and mis-informing the public about the theory and its roots. This below is not perfect, but completely vandalizing every part of it by deleting it all is unacceptable. Use the 'needs citation' method only.

Here is my insert below, that was deleted:

The theory: Abstract fields that most physicists believe are fundamental to existence [1], are the basis of the theory of the Maharishi Effect. The theory being that the mind, brain, and body, are not separate from these transcendental foundational fields, of which physical matter is widely accepted to be an epiphenomenon [1]. The notion is that there are effects similar to those seen in superconductors, that can be created in the abstract underlying fields, particularly at the level of the Unified Field of physics, and near or below Planck-scale quantum levels. The interaction of the human brain and the quantum fields is a theory held by a number of highly regarded physicists, such as Professor Emeritus of Oxford University, Sir Roger Penrose, and many other respected physicists[2] have also suggested a link between human consciousness and the sub-plank-scales, coining the term "Quantum Consciousness" to refer to this non-classical interaction, in which human thought is inter-dependent with an unbounded quantum field. Thus the theory of the Maharishi Effect clearly associates with widely accepted theories of modern physics. The theory was developed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who gained a degree in physics in the 1940s (studying at the encouragement of his guru, the Shankara Charya of Jyotir Math - similar to a Pope figure-head for India), and with other widely published physicists around the world.

Some additional information on Maharishi's background in physics (From "The Sixth Beatle"):
BORN IN 1918, THE MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI graduated with a physics degree from the University of Allahabad. Soon thereafter, he received the system of Transcendental Meditation® (TM®) from his “Guru Dev,” Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, who occupied the “northern seat” of yoga in India, as one of four yogic “popes” in the country. He practiced yoga for thirteen years under Guru Dev, until the latter’s death in 1953. The Maharishi (“Great Sage”) then traveled to London in 1959 to set up what was to become a branch of the International Meditation Society there, with the mission of spreading the teachings of TM.
http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.html
Neuroscience325 (talk) 03:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

References[edit]

BIO 387 at Stanford University[edit]

Stanford University had on a course a few years back on Transcendental Meditation that included some of the most well-known advocates including John Hagelin and others. I don't know where exactly in the article this ought to go, but it seems relevant.

Hacking consciousness will investigate the nature of consciousness as a field of all possibilities, as the source not only of the human mind and our ability to experience, know, innovate and create, but also as the source of all structures and functions--from fine particles and DNA to galaxies, in parallel with the scientific notion of a unified field, superstring, or super symmetry at the foundation of time and space. Each lesson will cover a specific aspect of consciousness and will be led by a leading scientist or thinker, including Tony Nader MD Phd (MIT and Harvard trained neuroscientist and author), John Hagelin Phd (Harvard-trained, renowned quantum physicist), and Fred Travis, PhD (neuroscientist who will provide a live EEG demonstration). Because consciousness has been seen in many cultures as a gateway to directly cognizing the laws of nature, meditation has developed as a pivotal human technology for success in all areas of life. Optionally, students may learn a meditation technique of their choice and join a possible weekend retreat. Students are also welcome to attend an optional 20 minute group meditation at 4:05pm, immediately before each class.
https://undergrad.stanford.edu/programs/special-focus-programs/lifeworks/lifeworks-courses/lifeworks-affiliated-courses

Hacking Consciousness on iTunes, including a bio of each speaker:

  1. John Hagelin
  2. Tony Nader
  3. Jon Lipman
  4. Pam Peeke
  5. Fred Travis
https://itunes.apple.com/us/course/hacking-consciousness-consciousness/id919606163

Neuroscience325 (talk) 03:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Was it picked up by the press? We would need an independent source Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Why so many?[edit]

Transcendental Meditation, History of Transcendental Meditation, Transcendental Meditation technique, Transcendental Meditation movement... are all these articles really necessary? There's a lot of content repeated here and there. In my opinion, this page could become a disambiguation, and its content(?) merged with History of TM or with TM technique. —capmo (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

We often have overview articles with subarticles that go into greater detail. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree, all those articles should be kept as detail is important. The one exception being the hundreds of published peer reviewed studies and MEDRS compliant reviews which have been the subject of hundreds of media reports. A subarticle with that kind of information was already deleted because, well.... it was just too much detail.-- KeithbobTalk 18:52, 2 June 2015 (UTC)