Talk:Transgender youth

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Portraits of Transgendered Children[edit]

I'd like to add this external link from the NY Times that has portrayed transgendered children according to how they view themselves.

Gender Spectrum Family[edit]

I'd like to add the following external link, but am employed by Gender Spectrum.

Zapote (talk) 06:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I've reviewed the site and appears to meet the requirements, so I've added it. Since the home page was the most "advertising" page on the site, I've linked to the "What is Gender Variance" page instead. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 11:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. Thanks, Alice. Zapote (talk) 06:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutral POV[edit]

Hi, can we please have a few more people read over the article and help to resolve some of the points that are bordering as original research? Wikipedia should endevour to maintain a neutral point of view, and statements like "Puberty is often considered to be a difficult time for everyone in many ways. But unlike their peers, who may be excited about bodily changes and thrilled with growing up, transsexual teenagers are appalled by the changes that take place" are overly generalised and unencyclopedic, and for a subject of this sensitive nature we should definitely strive to ensure the language used is neutral and impartial. Thanks. Justin.Parallax (talk) 10:06, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

The answer is no. Things like gender are not scientific in any way. Mannerisms attributed to male vs female is completely subjective to how you were raised and how someone dresses, talks and acts is all learned behavior not in-born. In other cultures for instance men wear what we would call a dress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.130.18 (talkcontribs) 20:09, July 20, 2014
Do you realise you just totally invalidated transgender identity and gender dysphoria? Quote: "how someone dresses, talks and acts is all learned behavior not in-born" Okay so sexual reassignment surgery is totally unnecessary -- these people were obviously inadequately educated by their parents in the norms of their gender and we can just ship them off somewhere for a while until they are re-educated..... Would you suggest a Gulag or a Kamp?
Um, just because they view gender as largely sociological doesn't mean that they've invalidated trans identities. Race and ethnicity are constructs as well, but we see the very real and very powerful impacts they have. Gender dysphoria is real. The struggles of trans people are real. Gender, however, may not be a biological thing. The assumption that gender is biological seems to imply that it mirrors sex, which potentially invalidates some nonbinary people. Learning and enacting gender isn't about simple education. It's far more complex than that. I don't think anyone in gender studies who prefers the sociological view of gender believes that anyone should be shipped off to camps; rather that gender is more malleable and complex than a male/female switch in the brain. Just because something is a construct doesn't mean it's meaningless. Don't be stupid. 72.181.110.248 (talk) 15:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Having said that, the part in the current correct language that bothers me is use of expressions like "assigned male at birth" or "assigned female" -- it makes transgender identity sound like a bureaucratic error or a malicious abuse committed at birth. It isn't. Assignment as a fe/male only makes sense in the context of intersexed anatomy, where there is no clear gender. Even this should become a thing of the past with genetic tests which should reveal the presence of the Y chromosome no matter how dubious the anatomy may appear at birth before assignment is made.
The move to treat adolescents with sex reassignment procedures should be concerning. Is medicine now saying, in effect, we can do away with homosexuality by reassigning every dysphoric child of the next generation? It is human nature to be fretful about ambiguity of any kind. If society is saying it prefers a surgical solution to the homosexual "problem" then it is hoping for a future in which the number of men who prefer to be with men or women who prefer to be with women is minimised, by relabelling homosexuals as candidates for surgery..... Something to ponder. 76.67.127.235 (talk) 07:57, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
This is a really weird slippery slope argument. Sexuality and gender are not the same thing. Just because a cis man likes men doesn't mean he should be reassigned to a woman. It should be clear to any health professional educated on the topic, and I can tell you that lgbt issues are becoming more studied in the academy, and will likely continue to be studied as assimilation continues. I wouldn't worry about that. 72.181.110.248 (talk) 15:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Exactly. There are tons of lesbian trans women and gay trans men, who were seemingly straight before transition and therefore didn't gain anything in the way of heterosexuality through their transition, quite the opposite, and gender transition is such a radical act that it isn't exactly a convenient solution to the comparatively minor issue of homosexuality. Not to mention all the other possibilities such as bisexuality, asexuality, or even more complicated orientations.
Moreover, "assigned female/male at birth" is a supremely neutral term. It doesn't imply anything about the correctness of the assignment. And the presence of a Y chromosome doesn't really mean much at all, since it is in itself fairly unimportant (see the ISNA website). Why should a girl with CAIS who feels completely fine living as a girl forcefully reassigned to male just because she happens to have invisible Y chromosomes in her body?
Also, transsexuality is a lot more than a sociological problem. It does not simply involve changing clothes, hairstyle, habits, name and pronoun, but also (usually) hormonal balance and (often) surgeries of various kinds. Few adults are androgynous enough to not need either to "pass" as the gender they identify with (it's easier for teenagers and no problem for children; to be fair, "passing" is not equally important for every trans person), and most of them experience various degrees of dysphoria (unease) about aspects of their body that are not so easily fixed and cannot be filed under the purely sociological aspect of gender. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Suggested edits to page[edit]

Hello! I'm currently in a Global Youth Studies class where we're editing articles on Wikipedia to make them more accurate and inclusive. I've chosen this article to edit for a number of reasons-- mainly that it's very underdeveloped and lacks a neutral POV. I've begun drafting these edits in my sandbox. So far I've been working on the section about vulnerability-- common issues that trans youth face I've removed the section "puberty" because it was very not neutral, and i also removed the section "Suicide attempt rates" because it overlaps with my suicide subsection. I plan on adding much more, especially about transgender youth in various countries, and expand on/ edit many of the sections that are currently there. I'll post here occasionally with updates on changes I've made to my draft. Any feedback/ criticisms/ suggestions are welcome and appreciated! Nativ32 (talk) 06:00, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Outcomes[edit]

Are there any statistics actually comparing different treatment methods? How do effeminate men/masculine women who do not undergo transgender conversion therapy compare in terms of suicide rates with those who do attempt to transform? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.136.200 (talkcontribs) 07:50, November 14, 2014‎

Hello! I'm currently in a Global Youth Studies class where we're editing articles on Wikipedia to make them more accurate and inclusive. In my attempts to add more global perspective to the living conditions of youth around the world, I added the nation of Malta who is known for their strides in creating a more inclusive society through legislation for transgender youth. I have also fleshed out various existing sections in the article such as homelessness, healthcare, and suicide. In order to give more specific examples of transgender youth, I brought in a few examples of living transgender youth activists. I felt this was important in order to see that there are narratives and role models of what it looks like to be a transgender youth in this day and age. Let me know what your thoughts are on my additions and if you think anything needs to become more neutral. Thanks! Kkaltenheuser (talk) 04:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

School environment section[edit]

Hi there, I'm a student getting my MA in sociology and my thesis is on school support and staff training for transgender children/youth who are questioning or transitioning. I'm thinking there needs to be a section dedicated to the school experience of transgender youth that extends beyond just discussing bullying/harassment and popular topics about which bathrooms or locker room transgender students have to use. Since youth spend 6+ hours a day in school 5 days a week (assuming they're going to school), it is worth noting how influential school environment and support from peers/teachers/staff is to their well being. Additionally, the topic of how school administrations and teachers are trained (or not trained) on how to support transgender youth should be discussed in some way. Just some food for thought, let me know what you think! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KMonderine (talkcontribs) 18:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Additions to current sections on page[edit]

Hi, I'm a student at LSU taking a Women's Gender Studies class which requires that we edit Wikipedia pages in order to add adequate information to support the page. I would like to add to the section "Coming Out" in which I would add to the definition and connotation as to what it means to come out and a brief history of the term as it relates to the youth. I would also like to add to evidence to prove how teens are seen as being more vulnerably than compared to those who are not transgendered.

Joyrucker5 (talk) 16:12, 25 February 2016 (UTC)joyrucker5

Legal rights and issues of those under the age of majority[edit]

It would be great if this page talked more about the problems that those under the age of majority face, including legal forms of abuse. I feel that not enough attention is given to these issues, and that as a particularly vulnerable group of society that it deserve more attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcl725 (talkcontribs) 18:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)