Talk:Transylvania

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Economy section

Okay, so after I fumbled a few times in the edit section, I make my comment here.

Arrived on the page by happenstance after someone linked me the page citing that Transylvania has an economy of about 200 billion USD, which looked far too high. Source was

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2023/April/weo-report?c=968,&s=NGDPD,%20PPPGDP,%20NGDPDPC,%20PPPPC,&sy=2019&ey=2025&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1

An IMF-study and an Excel table which doesn't even reference any regional data, only Romania as a whole. GDP per capita (nominal) seemed to have been calculated retroactively from assigning ~50% of Romanian GDP to Transylvania then dividing it by population numbers according to the 2021 Romanian census.

I found at Eurostat the table

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/nama_10r_2gdp/default/table?lang=en

which has NUTS-2 levels of economic data, albeit for 2023 only a provisional one for regional economies. Regions Vest, Centru and Nord-Vest, which are considered Transylvania came up to about 104 billion Euros combined. Calculating with a mean exchange rate of 1,08 USD per Euro in 2023 the total regional economy should come up at about 110 billion USD with a corresponding drop in nominal GDP per capita too. I edited the summary table of the article and also the chapter about the economy with the corresponding citations, but I left the GDP-PPP per capita alone. It should also drop following the same logic but I am unsure how much and I don't want to touch anything in this regards. Szkoki (talk) 15:16, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrative Divisions

I see @OrionNimrod has reverted my edit.

I would like to point out that in no other Wikipedia articles can you find the "Administrative Division" section referencing anything related to border changes and transfer of sovereignty. It goes without saying that these additions are extraneous and unnecessarily provocative, which are in violation of Wikipedia's neutral point of view (NPOV) policy. Especially given the subject of the article is flagged as controversial, let's keep the content distributed correctly across different sections of the article.

There is an entire separate section titled "History" where you may feel free to insert estimations about the size of the historical principality, its historical subdivisions, and the transfer of it's sovereignty. These however have no bearing on the current administrative subdivisions of the region. As such they must be left out. 108.162.119.153 (talk) 00:11, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I don't understand, in your first revert you wrote that "these have already been discussed and dissected ad nauseum in the "History" section", while there is nothing about that section, while here you write to "feel free to insert estimations about the size of the historical principality, its historical subdivisions, and the transfer of it's sovereignty"...

Interesting you have 8 Wikipedia edits and you claim the violation of NPOV policy and calling statistical facts (not estimations!) "as extraneous and unnecessarily provocative" ?, this suggests a huge misunderstanding of that policy, may I ask the changing of the number of the administrative divisions (which are facts and not opinions) in what mean may "provocate" anything or anybody?

You are totally confusing the article's scope and coverage, the article is not about Romania and it's administrational divisons, but about Transylvania, a historical region and in every section of the article all historical belonging and their chronological details are mentioned, so I hardly understand why anything "must be" left out... OrionNimrod (talk) 14:24, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not "statistical facts" that are provocations, but rather the context surrounding their presentation. You have inserted allusions to historic border changes and transfer of sovereignty in a section dedicated to MODERN administrative divisions of a region. I will repeat that this is not the norm across "Administrative Division" sections across other Wikipedia articles. You have not provided any concrete reasons as to why your inclusions deserve to be an exception to the norm.

I am not confused to ask that all history is left to the dedicated "History" section, while administrative divisions are left to the "Administrative Divison" section, the standard across other Wikipedia articles. 2607:FEA8:1D22:5B00:99CB:1624:C420:7E73 (talk) 22:51, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The chapter started like that: "The area of the historical Voivodeship is 55,146 km²" History cannot be a provocation in an encyclopedia. The division is changed during history. OrionNimrod (talk) 10:28, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Location

isn't Transylvania in Eastern Europe John George III (talk) 05:15, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By geography is central, by cold war is eastern Central Europe#/media/File:Grossgliederung Europas-en.svg OrionNimrod (talk) 11:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]