Talk:Turkey–PKK conflict
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Turkish media, unreliable sources[edit]
Dear editors,
I see that some sources are Turkish news media. The problem is that the Turkish government is known to be a very harsh against journalists and media. Limited freedom of speech, and things like YouTube are forbidden. How should we deal with such sources? Aren't Turkish mainstream media per definition unreliable as source due to the heavy control by the Turkish state? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.209.199.204 (talk) 23:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
First PKK or KCK?[edit]
KCK is at upper level at current hierarchy of the organization. I acknowledge it. But, PKK is the preferred name in the media and PKK existed since the start of the conflict but KCK is new. Should we put KCK or PKK at top in "Belligerents" in the template? Kavas (talk) 15:15, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_conflict&diff=564147788&oldid=563519323 Now, PKK is at top, I agree with the decision to put it at top. Kavas (talk) 11:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Who says the conflict is over?[edit]
According to the infobox the peace process was finalized, rather than just initiated. Just because the peace talks have begun, one cannot conclude the conflict is over - it is a question on time and wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL to prophesize such things. Moreover, there were recently casualties in Kurdish demonstrations and currently the entire peace process is on the brink of being withdrawn by the PKK (see [1]). It is fine we write down "cease fire from January 2013" at the infobox, but the conflict is certainly not over.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
- I totally agree with you. There was a ceasfeire in 1999 to, but the hostilities continued in 2004 (5 years later!!). We shouldn't just assume that the conflict is over because there is a (temporary) ceasefire. I did try to make this change see here, but it was reverted. --Երևանցի talk 19:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed with the above mentioned points. Might I also add that the conflict is not only about the armed warfare, but it also involves "greater political and cultural rights for Kurds inside the Republic of Turkey" as mentioned in the lead. Have we ever come across a source that mentions that these rights have been granted to the Kurdish population? I personally have not. Therefore, the conflict in that regard is continuing and some might argue, in full force. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Foreign support to Kurdish?[edit]
No nation supports the Kurds in this conflict. That should be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.131.87.35 (talk) 18:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
There are claims and facts that both need to be listed.KazekageTR (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
about the name[edit]
The name is not sounding well actually. Cause it is a fact that PKK's personnel is not %100 Kurdish. There are lots of conscripted Kurds on the Turkish Armed Forces . And this conflict is not ethnical, but the name sounds purely ethnical.
By the way there was a rename conversation in Arcive 2, which majority supported my ideas. I suggest a re-look at that conversation and rename the article.KazekageTR (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Revert to pervious title[edit]
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Turkey–PKK conflict → Kurdish–Turkish conflict – This page was moved without sufficient discussion on the matter, personally I believe the previous title was better because it acknowledged that the PKK was not the only Kurdish belligerent. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC) Charles Essie (talk) 14:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- Move to Kurd-Turkish conflict. It looks better to me - Rameshnta909 (talk) 17:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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- I disagree completely, Kurdish–Turkish conflict is much better. Charles Essie (talk) 18:22, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- Like Indo-Pakistani War not Indian-Pakistani war and Russo-Georgian war rather than Russian-georgian war. -- Rameshnta909 (talk) 18:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- But this was not a short and intense war, this was a long running on-and-off conflict (like the Abkhaz–Georgian conflict, the Arab–Israeli conflict, the Chechen–Russian conflict, the Georgian–Ossetian conflict, the Iraqi–Kurdish conflict, the Israeli–Lebanese conflict, and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict). Charles Essie (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose; Kurdish people not a party to the conflict! A "terrorist organization" mentioned here. We can not talk about a war between Turkish Armed Forces or Turks and Kurds. All losses consists of soldiers of Turkish army and militants of PKK. Also, civillians killed by PKK. It should not even open to discussion. Maurice Flesier (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose there are lots of Kurds in Turkish Armed Forces and lots of people from other ethnicities in PKK and in those other militant groups. So this war is not ethnical. elmasmelih 16:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
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- There are also Arabs in the Israel Defence Forces and Chechens in the Russian Armed Forces, but that doesn't change the nature of those conflicts. Besides the PKK is not the only militant group fighting against the Turkish government in this conflict. Charles Essie (talk) 21:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- There was a previous discussion about it in the archives. In addition to that, every news organisation in Turkey calls that conflict as PKK conflict.elmasmelih 15:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
There's a whole new war[edit]
Airstrikes and battles and everything. needs revisions galore.
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- The PKK is not the Kurdish militant group fighting the government, the Israeli–Palestinian conflict isn't refered to as the Israel–PLO conflict or the Israel–Hamas conflict because despite the fact that those are the most active groups, they're not the only ones. Charles Essie (talk) 00:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
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- I agree. It's been called a Civil War, but I wouldn't go that far just yet. Anyway this is a whole new phenomenon fueled by AKPs political goals, the spillover of the Syrian Civil War, and the formation of a de facto Rojava state south of Turkey. The success of the Syrian Kurds had ignited Northern Kurdish national aspirations while concerning the Turks. Anyway, I think this is quickly becoming "big" enough to warrant its own page. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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