Talk:Types of trombone
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- 1 invalid isbn
- 2 "tenorbass"?
- 3 In response to Tenorbass???
- 4 Mouthpiece
- 5 neutrality?
- 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Slidepos.gif
- 7 Valve Trombone Photo?
- 8 Soprano trombone = slide trumpet?
- 9 This way of specifying pitch should be explained somewhere on WP
- 10 Splits - separate article for each type
- 11 Scale of Photos
- 12 Include OTHER works for trombone?
- 13 Merged from Cimbasso
In regards to:
- Kang, Mandip (2006). The Performance Edinburgh: Scottish Music Foundation.
"Scottish Music Foundation" and "Kang, Mandip" Trombone only returns hits to this article and mirrors. "Mandip Kang" Trombone returns no hits. Im running out of ideas. John Vandenberg 06:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
- This reference was propagated when the article was split. I researched the article Trombones and found that the ref had been added by 18.104.22.168. Seems to be vandalism. Check this diff and this diff by this user. I have removed the reference from both articles. --DRoll 10:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thats strange, as that users other contributions dont appear to be problematic. Anyway, if not vandalism, it was certainly senseless. Nice work. John Vandenberg 10:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
as a moderately serious amateur player in the northeast US, I've been playing a large bore symphonic tenor with F attachment (a Conn 88H) since the mid-80's and have never heard anyone call this sort of instrument a "tenorbass" trombone. where is this terminology still in use? --Sommerfeld 13:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe this to be antiquated, but legitimate usage. I have read this all my trombone playing career, from 1971 to now. Most westerners seem to refer to the particular instrument as you do. A symphony tenor with F attachement, or more generally (some have smaller bores) a "Bb/F Tenor trombone", or "Tenor trombone with F attachment". I have such a horn in my Vincent Bach 42B, very similar to your Conn 88H. Crtune (talk) 19:44, 22 September 2015 (UTC)User:Crtune 12:42, 22 September 2015 (PST)
In response to Tenorbass???
I believe that the term "tenorbass" is no longer in use, but once referred to a slightly larger version of the common tenor trombone. This tenorbass trombone was slightly smaller than the bass, so it became known as the tenorbass. I realize this is very helpful, but I do know that the term was used in the 20th century. Obsolete10 03:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. Seems like it would be better to rewrite the article to highlight the terminology currently used. I'll tweak in that direction. --Sommerfeld 22:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- It definitely doesn't use a tenor mouthpiece. I believe it uses a trumpet mouthpiece, though it may use something nearly identical. Small-shank tenor pieces can be used on alto, but most players have a hard time finding a single mouthpiece that works well for them on both horns. This is all OR, though... - Special-T (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm removing the tag (template) that states that the neutrality of the article is in question. (I've poked around the policy and template pages and can't find anything that says this is a no-no.) The edit summary upon adding that tag says that some descriptions may be derogatory. I've just read through the article and can't see any support for that. - Special-T (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Slidepos.gif
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Valve Trombone Photo?
Soprano trombone = slide trumpet?
I'd love for someone with knowledge and a citation to clear this up. Does anyone currently make a distinction between the two? They're (mainly) cylindrical slide instruments pitched in Bb and played with a trumpet mouthpiece. The histories of how a slide trumpet and soprano trombone came about are different, though. I have no idea if any of this is even correct - it's mostly uncited stuff from Wikipedia, and conversations with knowledgeable brass players. - Special-T (talk) 21:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
This way of specifying pitch should be explained somewhere on WP
A request originally at Talk:Pitch (music) where it got no reaction:
- In the article Types of trombone you find this way of specifying pitch: 12' F, 18' B♭, 9' B♭, etc. I suppose this is akin to the organ foot system (as in an 8' rank, a 16' rank, etc.). I'm sure readers who are only slightly familiar with trombones will be puzzled, like me, by this system, so this more general system used for trombones (and other brass?) should be explained somewhere in WP.
- Sure, if you know that an 8' C is C2 then you may attempt to guess and guess that the 12' F is probably F1 and that 9' B♭ is probably B1♭ (or should this be B♭1?). But first of all this guess may well be wrong. Is the trombone half-tube or whole-tube? Does length and pitch correlate like for organ pipes? And besides we shouldn't have to guess. Someone who knows should provide that information explicitly in WP. That would spare us having to scratch our heads and wonder. Contact Basemetal here 22:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Splits - separate article for each type
This article has annoyed me for years. For almost every other type of musical instrument, there is a separate article for every minor variation. Is it time to split this article into its components? There should be separate articles for alto trombone, tenor trombone, bass trombone, contrabass trombone and valve trombone. Then we can delete this article, or at least drastically cut it down to size to include only material relevant to comparing the types with each other. Anything left that is about the trombone in general (or rarer beasts) can be put into Trombone if not already there. Tayste (edits) 00:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Scale of Photos
I know this might be difficult to pull together, but if the photos were retaken with a yardstick or some other object next to the instrument, readers would get a better indication of the size of the instrument. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Include OTHER works for trombone?
I'd like to suggest that a few other prominent trombone oriented orchestral works be mentioned:
Mahler "Symphony Number 3"; movt. 1: With its feature of the principal trombone all through the first movement, and the section soli adjoining it, the trombone dominates here. This is a serious audition piece for those wishing to work in a symphony orchestra.
Ravel "Bolero" - which features, along with many other instruments of the orchestra, a couple of repeated themes. On trombone it's very "high tessiatura" playing and thus is considered a defining moment in professional playing. This passage is easy to botch and thus also appears on most orchestral audition lists. Also the work features prominent glissandi (loud "smears") at the ending climax section.
I cite this from academic and professional experience. These are well known items in the trombone playing community. Also, I'm not attempting to be exhaustive, but to add a couple of very big items.
(talk) 19:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I've merged in our entire Cimbasso article. It is clearly a type of trombone, and the amount of content that we have can easily fit within this article as a section. I am not opposed to splitting it out again if someone has a significant amount more content to add. Mamyles (talk) 04:11, 21 February 2017 (UTC)