Talk:USS Constitution

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Featured articleUSS Constitution is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
Main Page trophyThis article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on February 20, 2015.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
February 4, 2008WikiProject peer reviewReviewed
September 27, 2008Good article nomineeListed
October 22, 2008WikiProject A-class reviewApproved
November 8, 2008Featured article candidatePromoted
December 14, 2009WikiProject peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Featured article
Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
Q: HMS Victory is the oldest commissioned warship. Not Constitution !
A: Victory is permanently in drydock. Constitution is still afloat. The distinction of "oldest" is explained with "Note 1" in the lead and again in the last section of the article.
Q: I added something to the article but it got removed. Why?
A: In all probability what you added was unsourced information or information cited to an unreliable source; such information is usually removed quickly because of the article's Featured Status. Featured Articles on Wikipedia require reliable sources for an independent verification of the facts presented, consequently any information added to a Featured Article without a reliable source is subject to removal from the article at any Wikipedian's discretion.

Retaining featured article status[edit]

It's been about 9 years since I brought this article to featured status. Over time the article deteriorates as FA requirements are strengthened and typically well-meaning editors add more cruft to the contents; like ramming pics into the article until it looks like photo gallery, rather than an article. I have made several attempts in the past few years to clean up the article but most often run into problems as my edits are reverted by those who cannot take into consideration the overall picture of retaining FA status and that my edits are part of an long-term overhaul; not just a single edit. Here are some goals the article needs:

  • Update and refresh where possible sources and citations. I've found better and more reliable ones over the years. But the citation style must remain consistent; not a mix of whatever gets thrown in. Some of the content in the article no longer have citations in place only because sloppy editing has removed them.
  • Sources targeted for removal and replacement are: Abbott - MacClay&Smith to be replaced by Toll and or Martin. There are also several online references and sources that are no longer available and should be replaced. Brad (talk) 10:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Article size is an issue at 11k+ words. Part of the solution is to remove less important information that appears as 'name-dropping'. I lessened a list of people attending the 200 anniversary sail but was reverted claiming 'not an improvement'. This is counterproductive. In addition, there is a growing amount of coatracking going on. This is an article about Constitution and not Constellation for example. The article seems to be turning into a 'restoration blog' Certainly it's an important subject especially when the restorations have preserved the ship from ruin. Not sure just yet what can be done about that. We do not need mentions of every little thing that happens to the ship in the present day. I'll quit here although I've more to say on the matter. Brad (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
@Brad101: Thanks for the post. I was the one who reverted that list, as I couldn't see how it improved things. It helps to know what your goal was, and I certainly agree that there are many extraneous and trivial details included in the article that could be cut. I mentioned this is my most recent edit, but was hesitant to simply start slicing details such as "General So-n-so named his dog after the ship." In light of this, the entire passage concerning all the celebrities who sailed that day could be excised—including Walter Cronkite. I'll see if I can do some pruning. —Dilidor (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I meant to thank you for the professional copyedits you made to the article. They did more good than bad, so I didn't nitpick on the bads :) I thought I should make a post about my intentions. The problem with cutting information typically means that citations get messed around. For example, right now the information about serving as a 'brig' during WWII are not backed up by the current citation ie: the DANFS article does not mention that. Now I have to track down a reference and clean up the Constellation fanboy cruft. Slow and steady is how I prefer to go. Brad (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

And today there are several editors throwing more feces into the article. Fast as I can remove it. Brad (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

update[edit]

I've trimmed about 1000 words from the article and likely will find more during a second closer look. If not, the article is more in line with size guidelines now. Brad (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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History Detectives[edit]

A very interesting segment that covers some unanswered questions of the Andrew Jackson figurehead incident is on youtube. Brad (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC)