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Debt[edit]

Total UK government debt rose quickly from 44.4% of GDP in 2007 to 82.9% of GDP in 2011, then increased more slowly to 87.5% of GDP in 2015.[245][246]


This is factually incorrect. This is just the government's borrowing.

For example, it owed 5,010 bn in pensions with no assets [unfunded] as of 2010.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171766_263808.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.83.28 (talkcontribs) 16:37, 5 January 2016‎ (UTC)

On terminology[edit]

There is currently an ongoing discussion whether the Wikidata item for this article actually is connected to the content of the article here, the United Kingdom, or whether the meaning of the term can equally be replaced with that of Great Britain. -- Plast (talk) 12:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Europe[edit]

Shouldn't Russia be dark grey in the map ? AFAIK Russia is the largest European country and even if it also extends into Asia that would be true as well for France and the UK itself just to name a few. Does it matter that the larger part of Russia lies in Asia ? What about its capitol and main population being located in Europe ? Would Greenland make Denmark a North American country ? At least the part of Russia visible in the map is in Europe. Please don't let the Cold War cloud the waters ... JB. --92.195.108.68 (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

The part of Russia that is in Europe is dark grey. The part of Russia that is not in Europe is light grey. Europe is green and dark grey. Rob984 (talk) 22:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2016[edit]

Vandalism on the page probably related to the EU referendum. Revert edit by Camjay7. Includes PM name, type of government, capital, etc.

Blueshimmer007 (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done st170etalk 00:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2016[edit]

Please change the Flag of the EU to UK Flag back, because obvious reasons. And the capital back to London. And delete at "Government" Overlord, EU puppet etc.

Thanks

Robinh95 (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Vandalism reverted.GliderMaven (talk) 00:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

United Kingdom left the EU[edit]

It was reported in the media that Britain has voted to leave the European Union (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKCN0Z902K). Now, any information about the UK and the EU must be changed accordingly, if necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chocolated (talkcontribs) 04:56, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

This is excellent news, however we have not officially yet left. There are hoops we have to jump through first before we officially leave. Heck, its just been announced that we'll have a new PM before the negotiations start. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:26, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
This is disastrous news, however we have not officially yet left. There are hoops we have to jump through first before we officially leave. Heck, it's just been announced that we'll have a new PM before the negotiations start. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
We all have our opinions. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:35, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
And this is not a forum for debating them. Can we stick to the facts alone and the editing of an encyclopedia please? Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The referendum is not binding on the government or parliament and therefore has no direct effect on UK membership in the EU. The UK remains a member of the EU in the meantime. TFD (talk) 10:47, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The UK is leaving the EU but until it invokes article 50-which even the Leave campaign said they won't invoke yet-then the UK is still a full paid-up member of the EU. All we can say is that the UK public via referendum voted to leave the EU. Nothing else at present. Mabuska (talk) 11:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Second land border?[edit]

Obviously, Northern Ireland shares a land border with the Republic of Ireland, but what is the status of the Channel Tunnel connecting Great Britain with the European continent (specifically, France)? Does the fact that it is underground (or should that be 'undersea'?) negate its physical connection between two countries?

Perpendicularity is Overrated (talk) 09:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

See Channel_Tunnel#Security. The treaties that allow French officials to operate on English soil and vice versa are bi-lateral Franco-British agreements. Brexit may change who is allowed in, but shouldn't affect how the checks are performed. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
(e/c) So far as the opening paragraph is concerned, it should not be described as a land border, but there may be scope for referring briefly to the tunnel link. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:01, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Tedious resurfacing of Great Britain as synonym[edit]

This old chestnut has surfaced again; just search in the archives. Dubious usages of terms should maybe be noted, with an explanation of their dubiousness, but not given undue credibility, arguably in the lede at all and definitely not given effective parity in the first sentence alongside more correct terminology. Are we going to add "England" as a synonym because of common sloppy popular usage from some in that most populous of the constituent countries? Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:47, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I am afraid it will keep returning because outside of Wikipedia Great Britain is still used as a synonym so new readers will keep adding it and raising it on the talk page, see archives. MilborneOne (talk) 15:28, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
"Are we going to add "England" as a synonym because of common sloppy popular usage from some in that most populous of the constituent countries?" — It's not in the Oxford Dictionaries. "Great Britain": "The name is also often used loosely to refer to the United Kingdom". Need to add that to the article. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
To repeat myself from my edit summaries, the matter is already covered, and in a better manner. It does not need to be added, it's in the very second sentence. You are over-egging it snd implying that a term that correctly refers to another entity but is "often used loosely to refer to" this entity should be given parity with the correct terminology in the first sentence, as well as being correctly dealt with in the second. It's both redundant and wrong. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:09, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
"(the name of which is also loosely applied to the whole country)" — Oh, sorry Mutt Lunker. It was already mentioned in the article. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2016[edit]

Include a map of British overseas territories below the map of the UK (similar to that of the French Republic page):

|image_map = British Overseas.png |map2_width = 250px

|map_caption =

  British Overseas Territories
  United Kingdom

|image_map2 = United Kingdom (overseas+crown dependencies), administrative divisions - Nmbrs (multiple zoom).svg

Sackopickles (talk) 14:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Not really relevant as the British Overseas Territories are not part of the United Kingdom. MilborneOne (talk) 15:22, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Nor are the crown dependencies for that matter. They are owned directly by the crown. Uamaol (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

European Union[edit]

The main image in the info box needs to be changed. We are no longer in the EU.  — Calvin999 18:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

FFS, how many times do we need to repeat this? The UK is still a member of the EU, until such time as negotiations on its withdrawal are concluded - some time away, by all accounts. All EU provisions continue to apply to the UK for the time being. When that changes, we can change the article and the map. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2016[edit]

In the Music section there is a reference to John Barbirolli. This should be Sir John Barbirolli.

It would perhaps also be appropriate to include Sir Thomas Beecham, who was arguably more influential than any of the conductors currently mentioned.

Hemlocktrees (talk) 02:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I'm going to decline the first part per MOS:HONORIFIC but any other editor is free to override me on that. The second part in regards to Beecham requires a source that says he is "more influential." --Majora (talk) 03:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Majora. I have taken you at your word and added the "Sir". MOS:HONORIFIC 2.1.8.2 Honorific titles applies in this context ("The honorific titles Sir ... are included in the initial reference..."), particularly since Barbirolli is sandwiched between Sir Simon Rattle and Sir Malcolm Sargent. Agreed about a citation required though. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:01, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Not a problem. Thanks for catching that. --Majora (talk) 18:21, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2016[edit]

The United Kingdom is no longer in the European Union, so you should fix that on this page. TheFappening94 (talk) 02:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Actually it is. The leave is not immediate and won't be official for years to come. --Majora (talk) 03:05, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
i removed the category. To be accurate may be we need to add the word "previous" before the name of the category. If my edit is not correct you can revert it. Regards---مصعب (talk) 02:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
And I revert you. The UK is still a part of the EU until they invoke Article 50 and either both sides agree that negotiations are over or two years have passed, whatever happens first. They are still a part of the EU as of today, therefore, the category stays for now. --Majora (talk) 02:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Sixth economy, not fifth[edit]

The claim that the UK is the world's fifth economy has not been true for a week now and there are countless of WP:RS to back that up. I would not change List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal), but for this article (and for France), I think it would be better to have accurate information rather than information we all know to be wrong. Jeppiz (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Seems pointless to update the figures plainly because of a change in ranking. No other countries figures will be updated until the IMF publishes 2016 data, which means it wont be comparable, one of the main purposes of an infobox. But sure, if you can source up-to-date and reliable figures, go ahead. Just changing the ranking would not suffice as the UK's economy was larger than France's in 2015, so would be conveying incorrect information. Rob984 (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you. It's not something I find terribly important, and not a change I'll make before there has been some discussion. The problem is that we convey wrong information no matter what (and I was thinking about the intro, not the infobox - though of you the two should not contradict each other). This is not a big deal for me (being neither British nor French) but it's of course in everybody's interest that the information we give is correct. Jeppiz (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Would an explanatory footnote (including "as of" information and a reference) be the best way to go? It could be referenced from the infobox, lead, and body.--Boson (talk) 12:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The claims of the UK falling to sixth place are purely speculatory, and fly in the face of normal conventions of gauging GDP. Leave it to the experts (IMF, World Bank etc). Antiochus the Great (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2016[edit]

Prime Minister: Theresa May

Zamerino (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

X mark.svg Cameron isn't standing down until Wednesday. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Yep, trip to the Palace required first. Looks like it's Wednesday for changes here too! Brendandh (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2016[edit]

• Prime Minister David Cameron

This part needs to be changed, because today, Theresa May is becoming a Prime Minister of the UK. Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-wrapup-idUSKCN0ZR19P

Schambergnicholas (talk) 10:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this will be done after May officially becomes PM (expected to be about 5pm today) Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 10:41, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2016[edit]

In reference 125 - David Cameron is no longer the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He has obviously been replaced by Theresa May so this should be edited. Jamesdavies01 (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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