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Founded?[edit]

The box says founded in 1968. Should we change it to 1984, or consider those changes as being more akin to the New University of Ulster gobbling up the polytechnic? Timrollpickering 21:47, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think keep the former date, the arguement can be made that the university was in transition and has a common past. You do however have a point- the royal charter refers to "...a new university institution, known as the “University of Ulster”, be constituted and founded within Northern Ireland..." and this is a very good case for the latter date. But unusually the polytechnic swollowed the university - rather strange in the UK experience! Djegan 23:01, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have changed the date to 1984 Djegan 19:06, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

University of Dublin, Trinity College & Magee College[edit]

Some links on the relationship after the Royal University was dissolved... [1][2][3]

Magee was not a college of Dublin, though it did have an arrangement similar to what exists now with Froebel and the Church of Ireland College of Education where the degrees are granted by the University of Dublin. William Quill 14:01, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Campuses[edit]

Would it be practical and benificial to create an article on each campus rather than listing it all in this article; maybe, for instance in the style University of Ulster at Belfast, etc giving each campuses details in a dedicated article? Djegan 18:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be, when they were added to this article each one only had a few lines. (Template:UU) theKeith Flag of Northern Ireland2.svg 19:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I think so too. The campus sections are still a little lean though. They would maybe need to be filled out a wee bit if they are to have spererate articles. Stu ’Bout ye! 19:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I have created a Coleraine article, it was the largest section, you are right about the other three, they would need a bit of expanding. theKeith Flag of Northern Ireland2.svg 19:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I think at this point it would be prudent to fill/split out University of Ulster at Belfast, University of Ulster at Jordanstown and University of Ulster at Magee rather than maintaining this as a superarticle? It would also reduce the number of cats. Djegan 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I did go overboard on the cats, but UU really does have four establishment dates.
But, I tend to disagree with you Djegan; I think that this works quite nicely as a super-article, and I suspect that editors have more expansion to bring to it. There is plenty of academic life and culture that spreads across multiple campuses, and the individual campuses also deserve at least a couple of paragraphs in the main UU article. The Magee College and University of Ulster at Coleraine articles show what the potential is for campus-specific articles (though Magee is somewhat stubby and so far concentrates on pre-1970 history.) Belfast, as the youngest, has least potential, but is certainly encyclopedic, should someone care to write it, and gives something specifc to link to out of an Education in Belfast article.
Inspiration. There are remarkably few universities as featured articles. University of Michigan gets two mentions, but a multi-centre uni that has several 'sub-articles' is Indian Institutes of Technology. There is at least as much potential here. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
(er, no, the two Michigan FAs are University of Michigan and History of Michigan State University. 2 different institutions. Pardon me.) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

European University Association[edit]

Its worth to note that the university is not listed on the current membership list of EUA, but it was a member previously. Djegan 23:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Alumni in info box[edit]

Is this a useful or clear entry? For universities in the Republic where a clear legal record is needed for Senate elections this is meaningful data, but for other universities it's either guesswork or the number the university alumni office has on record (and the latter really says more about how good the alumni office is at maintaining contacts, and how easy a task that is, than anything else). Timrollpickering 21:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply at Talk:Queen's University of Belfast#Alumni in info box. Djegan 22:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm inclined to remove the stat from the box - I don't think this is clearcut data or useful for comparisons - most universities don't use it and the ones that do have a different method of gathering. Timrollpickering 23:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Name in use 1968-1984[edit]

Prior to 1984 did Coleraine use for day to day purposes "New University of Ulster" or "University of Ulster" as its name? (For similar see "Victoria University of Manchester".) Timrollpickering 15:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

In the Library the evidence is there of NUU - on some of the older books it clearly says "New University of Ulster" NornIronMan (talk) 16:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Definitely used NUU - when I was there I was told Queens originally objected to the name "University of Ulster" (as it considered itself to be that), hence the New at the front. Everybody called it NUU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haxbyct (talkcontribs) 23:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

University ratings[edit]

(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities.)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#University ratings. Timrollpickering 21:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Irish reference[edit]

The references are both in an arts section. I'm sure a similar reference could be provided for an array of languages, French, German, Spanish, Urdu, and it continues. Irish is not the Native name of the University of Ulster, UU is what is on it's charter, it is the only name used. Also, as per Talk:Queen's University Belfast, Irish should only be used with Ulster Scots for NI public bodies as per the Belfast Agreement. Irish alone is POV.Traditional unionist 17:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No Irish alone is not POV. I can't speak Ulster Scots, I don't know the Ulster scots name, but if someone tells me of an Ulster Scots name I'll have absolutely no problem adding it in. Derry Boi 17:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Irish is a irish nationalist associated language, therefore its inclusion without the Ulster Scots parity is POV. It must be removed to keep this article NPOV.Traditional unionist 18:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I've got to disagree on POV - the litmus test should be whether or not the university is is officially using one or both. If they are using one and not the other then the article should reflect the official use not try to correct it (and if there is documented controversy about said use then that perhaps should be covered in a section of the main text). Timrollpickering 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from accusations of political persuasions and opinions. The Irish language is taught and used within this island by people of all political opinions and is not exclusive to one side over another! As the University of Ulster uses the Irish reflection on some of its communications and as Irish is used by members of the university, it cannot be argued as POV. --  RÓNÁN   "Caint / Talk"  11:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Campus One needs expansion[edit]

The Campus One sub-section was reduced to one sentence today, when I discovered that almost the entire section was a possible copyright violation. Please dig in and contribute something to replace it. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit]

The University of Ulster logo in use on all University of Ulster pages is out of date (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:University_of_Ulster_logo.svg). The new logo is at http://wwwimages.ulster.ac.uk/online/images/web-logo-08-white.gif. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvitty (talkcontribs) 03:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ollscoil Uladh?[edit]

Should the name apear in Irish above the crest - it isn't an official name of the University and hence an Irish (or any other) translation is not valid at this point. This is unlike the Students' Union, who do have a bilingual (English/Irish) policy. Blowmonkey 14:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Its important to point out that the text does not imply any officialness. Djegan 19:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

This debate was re-opened five years later! In an edit summary, an editor whose work I normally admire wrote: "Undo POV-pushing. Find some working examples of the university using the name to refer to itself". All the links he deleted work today at archive.org.

Here is another that doesn't need the wayback machine:

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

My apologies Hroðulf, I'm not overly familiar with The Wayback Machine and didn't give the links long enough to open up. Appreciate you saying you admire my work though.
My problem with the refs still stands, however. The sources that are cited all refer to the Irish language course run by the university, and as such aren't examples of the UU using its Irish name in a normal setting. If they had a German language school would we use the German name for the university in the infobox? JonChappleTalk 14:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
It may also be worth noting that the Ulster-Scots Agency refers to the "Universitie o Ulstèr" in a number of its publications. JonChappleTalk 14:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
It does have other modern languages, and an Institute for Ulster-Scots Studies. Irish, English and Ulster Scots are local languages, so in that sense there is good reason that they are suitable for the lede, unlike the other languages. "University o Ulster" or "Varsity o Ulster" would be just as good, but if that is the way an agency consultant likes to write it in the hamely tongue, then I think it is fine for Wikipedia.
Please don't put the Scotch (no it is not just a drink) and Irish in the infobox, but let's please have them in the lede.
--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
I think it has to be established that the university itself uses them though—there's Scots and Irish wikis for literal translations. Case in point, the Church of Ireland article: the church uses "Eaglais na hÉireann" itself, but there's no evidence of it using "Kirk o Airlann" so the Scots equivalent unfortunately has to be left out. JonChappleTalk 20:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't find that case persuasive. University prospectuses and brochures are "the university itself" as much as anything can be. However when the PR employees of the university don't use a particular language often, I would be glad to see a translation used by a lecturer on Wikipedia. Why should we rate the arts faculty any lower than PR department? In any case, there is nothing hard or 'original research' or even remotely controversial in just looking in a dictionary to check the obvious translation, just as the Scots and Irish wikipedias do. UU (formerly UU?) actually teaches in the medium of Irish, and all three languages are used by local folk in Belfast and Londonderry, and no doubt in Coleraine and Jordanstown too. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 21:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but those brochures and prospectuses are for courses in Irish. They don't use any other language in their branding or identity. Personally I don't really have that much of an objection to adding the Scots name too and keeping them both, but it's a Wiki guideline (or at least a Wikiproject Ireland one) not to unless the organisation in question uses it itself. JonChappleTalk 21:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Have you done a web search on UU's domain? Even though the uses for the courses in Irish are enough to satisfy the WikiProject, there are other activities communicated in Irish that use the same phrase. Apart from the word "of", Ulster Scots and English use the same words. Let's add both as you suggest. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 06:23, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Done. JonChappleTalk 09:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with University of Ulster Institute of Nursing Research[edit]

While the Institute of Nursing Research is arguably notable, it is not a separate entity from the University of Ulster. It therefore makes sense to merge the little information about it here to the main article about the University of Ulster instead. ToniSant (talk) 17:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Agree, it would fit better here Aloneinthewild (talk) 13:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes. It is multi-campus and notable, but short enough to fit in the UU article. It could, one day, be expanded into an article: make it an {{R with possibilities}}. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:28, 23 February 2014 (UTC)