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Second paragraph[edit]

"According to SearchIRC's statistics, UnrealIRCd is used on the largest number of IRC servers. The largest IRC networks, however, do not use it."

What is that supposed to mean? No reason is given why and the last sentence has some grammar issues. Do not use them, perhaps? -- But still - no reason is given why. /Tense (talk) 10:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The reason is because they have developed their own, specifically tailored IRC servers for their own use, however there is no reliable source which states this, so I have not included it. And, "The largest IRC networks do not use UnrealIRCd on their servers" would possibly be a better wording, but I think the current wording is fine, though. -- Cobi(t|c|b) 10:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the existing text makes sense to me. Gatoclass (talk) 11:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
It's worded like that because although many many smaller and medium-sized networks use UnrealIRCd, the five largest use mainly their own IRCd or something that is different than Unreal. --cmelbye (t/c) 11:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes. I'm sorry. I should have read it more carefully. It makes perfectly sense to me now aswell. Thank you. /Tense (talk) 14:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-notable sources[edit]

Please refer to the AfD here, for a page using identical sources to the unrealircd page, give or take interviews with unrealircd developers [1] as you can see none of the sources are notable. Can someone please help find some more notable sources, news reports (from real news sites), book chapters (that give more than a passing mention and url) etc? I will help if required, i just like to see proper references on all pages. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Braindigitalis (talkcontribs) 18:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

"none of the sources are notable". I don't follow, there is absolutely no requirement for a source to be notable. SQLQuery me! 20:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Sources just need to be reliable. —Giggy 00:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, and per WP:RS, self published sources are not reliable, and may be - or lead to - original research. Quite a lot of the source material here seems to be suspect, which is what I believe the comment was about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Update three years later: Actually, per WP:RS and WP:PRIMARY, primary sources can be reliable about themselves, and WP:SPS self-published sources can be used with great care if by an established expert in the field, but neither are sufficient for whole articles, or the majority of article content. Independent reliable sources are needed, and have (as of the time of this writing) been added: two books. --Lexein (talk) 16:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


Is it really necessary to keep the Advertisement Notice on the article? After looking it over a dozen times, I can't see any form of Advertisement.Anpu777 (talk) 01:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Probably not. It was added to the article [2] minutes before he tried to take it to AfD. [3] Remove it if you like, I've just been removing unnecessary infoboxes as I update and rewrite the articles. The tone of the article does indeed need some work but {{advert}} probably isn't the right infobox to use. I'd been trying to focus on the smaller articles before tackling the larger more established articles such as this one. This last week I was also working on finally getting the IRC WikiProject set up right. Tothwolf (talk) 11:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion opposed[edit]

  • Reason #1: you are never going to get notable sources for daemons. Yet the entire internet runs on countless daemons.
  • Reason #2: it's not a bad article. Deletion proposer - have you read any articles on wikipedia?
  • Reason #3: last but not least, this is Cobi's article. If Cobi, with literally millions of anti-vandalism edits can't have an article on a topic in which he has expert opinion, then what hope is there for any of us?

I refer you to the Wikipedia Chairman's call for clemency and editor encouragement of May 2011.

Go on, "Be Nice" - please lend a hand. Wikipedia Chairman appeals for kindness,here, discussed here. Are you in? Geoffjw1978 T L C 23:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

1: Reliable sources quickly found: two books, with Google Books search, and use of source expanded greatly, based on extensive coverage in both books. #2: "bad" is not a reason for deletion: see WP:Arguments to avoid - that should have been brought up at the deletion discussion. #3. Editors don't WP:OWN articles, so the fact that Cobi made major contributions doesn't help, if he didn't find the needed sources. --Lexein (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)