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Requested move 9 July 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus, therefore not moved. It seems as if both sides have given an equal number of supports and opposes to this move, so this results in a tie, meaning no consensus to move at this time. (non-admin closure) 68.199.227.117 (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


Usher (musician)Usher (singer) – In the previous RMs it was pointed out that similar artists have "musicians" as the disambiguator, this is not the case here. Those other artists had other roles in music (such as rap and production). Usher is only a singer, he has no other roles in music. Therefore, should be moved back to Usher (singer). I also propose "Usher Raymond" as an alternative option. Ddd23 (talk) 09:15, 9 July 2017 (UTC) --Relisting.JFG talk 10:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose on the bases that those other artist did not have different "roles" in music; none of the three take part in production at all. "Musician" remains befitting, because Usher, likewise Prince, plays instruments. Khaire Nuh (talk) 12:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Usher is a lot of things. He is an entrepreneur, actor and political activist. However, his notability derives almost exclusively from being a singer, not a "musician", and that's the disambiguator that will help readers the most. —  AjaxSmack  22:11, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Disambiguation should be done by the most generic term that suffices to disambiguate; it's not a merit badge. In this case, "musician" suffices. Note that I wouldn't object to a move to Usher Raymond instead, though the current title is perfectly fine. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 01:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support He is only mainly known as a singer, I don't k ow if he plays any instruments Rasheoda (talk) 13:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose – He has produced music for other artists, most notably Justin Bieber. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2506:132D:4CD4:3479 (talk) 15:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Usher plays instruments like the drums and bass guitar [1]. "Musician" and "Singer" do not suggest a large distinction and have more or less the same connotation. The change would just be futile. 78.145.221.93 (talk) 10:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 Comment: This is the tenth move request, how many more are we going to waste time on. - FlightTime (open channel) 11:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 Comment: Ddd23 and Rasheoda are blocked. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2506:132D:4CD4:3479 and 78.145.221.93 have little other editing history. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support more recognizable since main natural description in sources (search "the musician Usher" if anyone doesn't believe this). And he is not a deity like Madonna who can't be called (singer). In ictu oculi (talk) 17:36, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose There is nothing Madonna does that Usher doesn't (sing/dance (entertain) and play instruments). Biography.com - arguably the most renown source for identity info - clearly referrers to him as an "R&B and pop musician" [3].92.20.88.238 (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
  • As this is an unusual close, given the evidence, and due to the involvement of a number of accounts with limited or no other contributions, and that two participants have been blocked, I have asked the closer to undue their close to allow someone with more experience to assess the discussion. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

about the move requests[edit]

What I honestly never understand: this person has two names - the one in it's passport and the one used on stage. So why do you need any category? I mean, dumb users like me just type in "usher" - and I expect to land on the page of his passport's name Usher Raymond IV after being redirected from Usher. What he is, is for me quite unclear and someone who can sing usually can play an instrument. Also he works as a moderator in "the voice". So ... what is he then? Well, he is the human being Usher Raymond IV called Usher. Unless there is in 20 years someone else being very popular with the (stage) name Usher - why bother now? And of course, easiest thing to do now is to do nothing. -- 2001:A62:1018:4402:A54A:FD63:3953:946E (talk) 18:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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