Talk:Utopia

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Glaring error - "Utopia"[edit]

Are there literate, intelligent editors here? Are they hiding? Or asleep?

Introductory sentence: "The word utopia was coined in Greek by Sir Thomas More for his 1516 book Utopia..."

A couple of paragraphs later (after some intervening statements about Plato's Republic, which has some similar ideas but was about /a/ republic", not about /the/ "Utopia")...

"During the 16th century, Thomas More's book Utopia proposed an ideal society of the same name."

So, the claim is that:

(i) More coined (introduced) the name, Utopia; and (ii) More chose "the same name", implying that someone else had already used the name.

Spot the inconsistency? As the textbooks say, finding the inconsistency is left as an exercise for the reader.

Doh!

Also, regarding the first quotation above, More did not "coin the word utopia": he named a specific (fictional) island Utopia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.149.44 (talkcontribs)

Please WP:Assume good faith about your fellow editors and don't be condescending. The good news is that this is wikipedia, so you can WP:BeBold and fix it yourself! Attaboy (talk) 14:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
It's also not even an error. I have no idea why the IP would take "the same name" to imply that someone else had already used the term. Not the ideal wording, no, but especially given the context of an article, it seems one would have to be trying to misunderstand in order to take away anything other than a reference back to the word utopia (a book called utopia; a society of the same name). I suspect the issue here is the incorrect final statement. More's "specific (fictional) island Utopia" was how he coined the word. That it has become a common term for referring to the concept of ideal society, it wasn't at that point. --— Rhododendrites talk |  04:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I think it's very good point. Is it credible that the English word "Utopia" wasn't purely derived from the title of Thomas More's book? He chose "no-place" to indicate to his more educated readers that the place described was his invention rather than the tales of a traveller as the narrative indicates. The book describes an ideal society and hence the meaning of the word derived from the title. I haven't looked at the two references (2,3) cited but suspect they point out the same etymological coincidence. At best, educated people may have wondered whether More was thinking about "good-place" too but this, surely, is a bit of trivia. The word is derived from the title of the book which was in turn based, certainly, on at least one Greek concatenation, but possibly two. I'm new to Wikipedia and not a historian so I thought it would be rude to amend the article. Shoddie (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC) (Did I do that right?)

Marxism and Communism[edit]

Marx advocates for a global revolution where the proletariat overthrows their capitalist overlords and establish a society where everyone is treated equally and according to their needs. The government will whither away. This sounds like a utopia to me. Why is it not included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.30.242 (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Jim Jones[edit]

Jim Jones, Born May 13, 1931, Died November 18, 1978. Jim Jones created a town called Jonestown. He wanted to create a Utopia, but instead it was a community that was (in future refreneces, a place of Mass Suicide.His destiny(dream) was a failure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red mist 21 (talkcontribs) 15:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I removed this, as it is unsourced, and did not fit within the paragraph well. Perhaps a section on failed attempts at Utopian societies could be included, but it would need several examples to be balanced. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Anarchism template[edit]

I believe the large "Anarchism" template should be removed because the article contents are not related to Anarchism directly. (Ctrl+F "anarch")

104.228.101.152 (talk) 23:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Agreed. This article isn't linked from the sidebar and the word anarchism doesn't appear outside of the lead. They're not mutually exclusive concepts, of course, but the concept of utopia can be preceded by many concepts, most of which wouldn't include the general concept of utopia as one of their key subjects. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)