Talk:Uxoricide

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John Emil List doesn't belong on a list of wife murderers even thoug he did kill his wife. He is classified by forensic psychologists as a family annhilator which has a wholly different dynamic.LiPollis 09:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


Untitled[edit]

I don't think the film Mr and Mrs Smith should really be considered here, as both main characters are professional assassins, so I deleted it.Snorgle 15:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Lists[edit]

Are either of the lists, "Uxoricide in fiction" or "Known or suspected uxoricides" likely to be useful? Given the huge number of such cases in fact and fiction can they ever be anything other than woefully incomplete? There must be dozens of uxoricides in the works of Agatha Christie alone. Groomtech (talk) 21:27, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Where is OJ Simpson? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icalouse (talkcontribs) 06:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggested Improvements[edit]

This is an interesting page that provides a large number of fictional and true examples of uxoricide cases. However, the page lacks a detailed description of the possible reasons a man may choose to kill his wife. There is a pool of literature relating to some of the psychological explanations for uxoricide that are missing from the article. Additionally, there is a lack of reliable citations- adding some further detailed information with citations would improve this article. SiobhanEloise (talk) 23:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed bibliography for additions to the page[edit]

I think that the page could be expanded and edited to include some of the possible psychological explanations for uxoricide. I have selected some sources that I plan to use:

Deacy, S. & McHardy, F. (2013). Uxoricide in pregnancy: Ancient Greek domestic violence in evolutionary perspective. Evolutionary Psychology, 11.5, 994-1010.

Mize, K. D., Shackelford, T. K. & Shackelford, V. A. (2009). Hands-on killing of intimate partners as a function of sex and relationship status/state. Journal of Family Violence, 24.7, 463-470.

Mize, K. D., Shackelford, T. K. & Weekes-Shackelford, V. A. (2011). Younger women incur excess risk of uxoricide by stabbing and other hands-on killing methods. Personality and Individual Differences, 50.7, 1120-1125.

Shackelford, T. K. (2001). Cohabitation, marriage and murder: Women killing by male romantic partners. Aggressive Behaviour, 27.4, 284-291.

Shackelford, T. K., Buss, D. M. & Peters, J. (2000). Wife killing: Risk to women as a function of age. Violence and Victims, 15.3, 273-282.

Shackelford, T. K. (2005). Partner killing by men in cohabiting and marital relationships: A comparative, cross-national analysis of data from Australia and the United States. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 20.10, 1310-1324.

Shackelford, T. K., Buss, D. M. & Weekes-Shackelford, V. A. (2003). Wife killings committed in the context of a lovers triangle. Basic and Applied Social Psychology, 25.2, 137-143.

SiobhanEloise (talk) 23:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I will be contributing to this page on the topic of uxoricide including some references surrounding the evolutionary perspectives of this subject. These are some sources I intend to use:

Buss, D. M., & Shackelford, T. K. (1997). Susceptibility to infidelity in the first year of marriage. Journal of Research in Personality, 31, 193-221.

Capaldi, D. M., Knoble, N. B., Shortt, J. W., & Kim, H. K. (2012). A systematic review of risk factors for intimate partner violence. Partner Abuse, 3, 221.

Smith, M. D., Blackman, P. H., & Jarvis, J. P. (Eds.). (2003). New directions in homicide research: Proceedings of the 2001 annual meeting of the Homicide Research Working Group. Washington, DC: Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Wilson, M., & Daly, M. (1993). An evolutionary psychological perspective on male sexual proprietariness and violence against wives. Violence and Victims, 8, 231.

Goetz, A. T., Shackelford, T. K., Romero, G. A., Kaighobadi, F., & Miner, E. J. (2008). Punishment, proprietariness, and paternity: Mens violence against women from an evolutionary perspective. Aggression and Violent Behaviour, 13, 481-489.

Taylahurlock (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

The sources I intend to use when editing the page include the following:

Dobash, R. P., Dobashm, R. E., Wilson, M., & Daly, M. (1992). The Myth of Sexual Symmetry in Marital Violence. Social Problems, 39(1). 71-91. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org/stable/3096914.

Jewkes, R., Levin, J., & Penn-Kekanaa, L. (2002). Risk factors for domestic violence: findings from a South African cross-sectional study. Social Science & Medicine, 55(9), 1603-1617. doi:10.1016/S0277-9536(01)00294-5

Vandello, J. A., & Cohen, D. (2003). Male honor and female fidelity: Implicit cultural scripts that perpetuate domestic violence. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 84(5), 997-1010. http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.84.5.997

Daly, M., Wiseman, K. A., & Wilson, M. I. (1997). Women with children sired by previous partners incur excess risk of Uxoricide. Homicide Studies, 1, 61-71. doi: 10.1177/1088767997001001005

Brewer, V. E., & Paulsen, D. J. (1999). A Comparison of U.S. and Canadian Findings on Uxoricide Risk for Women with Children Sired by Previous Partners. Homicide Studies, 3(4), 317-332. doi: 10.1177/1088767999003004004

Shackelford, T. K. (2001), Cohabitation, marriage, and murder: Woman-killing by male romantic partners. Aggressive Behaviour, 27, 284–291. doi: 10.1002/ab.1011

Psundd (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review for Human Sexuality[edit]

This article looks good so far. This looks like a very interesting topic with a lot of possible further information to add.
I have done a few copy edits - added a few links and corrected some wording.
To improve on this article:
1) Include a few more references, for example in the 'evolved homicide module theory' section, some sentences could be referenced.
2) It would be interesting to have a section on why uxoricide happens from an evolutionary perspective - seems to be your plan from the heading 'possible psychological explanantions'
3) Including a section on uxoricide in different species would also be helpful for further understanding of the topic.
4) Expand a bit more on the lead section once the article has been lengthened. RosieKate13 (talk) 16:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer review for Human Sexuality (Working)[edit]

On the whole looks good so far with an overview into a very interesting topic. it will be interesting to see the psychological aspects that you're intending to examine.

1. There is a possibility for a section regarding factors that leave women at a higher risk of Uxoricide, beyond those explained within the two theories/explanations given.

   - Daly, M., Wiseman, K. A., & Wilson, M. I. (1997). Women with children sired by previous partners incur excess risk of Uxoricide. Homicide studies, 1(1), 61-71.
   - Brewer, V. E., & Paulsen, D. J. (1999). A comparison of US and Canadian findings on uxoricide risk for women with children sired by previous partners. Homicide Studies, 3(4), 317-332.

2. Psychodynamic aspect/explanations of Uxoricide.

   - Rosenzweig, S., Simon, B., & Ballou, M. (1942). The psychodynamics of an Uxoricide. American journal of orthopsychiatry, 12(2), 283.

3. A look at he historical aspects of Uxoricide and their evolutionary foundations would give increase the depth of the research and potentially give an underlying explanation for the behaviors exhibited.

   - Deacy, S., & McHardy, F. (2013). Uxoricide in pregnancy: Ancient Greek domestic violence in evolutionary perspective. Evolutionary psychology, 11(5), 147470491301100505.

4. The proposed theories seem very similar in their explanations and reasoning fro uxoricide, further explanation of what makes them different would be interesting and a nice addition to the article.

5. Read through to copy edit, and it seems pretty much in order so thats great. However i did just change the titles so that they are in the correct format for wikipedia. :)



— Preceding unsigned comment added by Psumeb (talkcontribs) 14:17, 15 March 2016 (UTC) 

Peer Review for Human Sexuality[edit]

Looks like a really good start with a few topics that you are writing about. I know it is a work in progress, but here is my contribution:

  • "This theory is supported by research statistics that state the rates of uxoricide are much higher for younger men;[9]" - Not sure how the fact that men doing this are young supports this theory - further explanation needed - is it because young men are more likely to kill accidentally? etc
  • The heading "Evolved Homicide Module Theory" - is this a contrasting theory to the above theory? If so it may need to be made more clear. "An alternative theory is...", for example.
  • Have just added the tag [citation needed] to a few things in this paragraph in particular, as it needs a few more (which you guys probably know and are working on!)

Phoebemarplehorvat (talk) 15:25, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

Great start to this article - very interesting! I have done some copyediting and have a few points for suggestions:

  • You talk well about how uxoricide occurs, but maybe you could explore the psychological mechanisms behind this. Exploring these could involve looking at mate retention strategies, paternal uncertainty and mate jealousy could really add to these sections. Looking at uxoricide as a potential adaptation (or maladaptation!) to cuckoldry and preventing adultery could be useful.
  • I notice the first section 'Possible Psychological Explanations' is empty - maybe including some of the above information would fill this out and act as a nice introduction to the topic. Possible studies to look at are Daly and Wilson (1988), Buss (1988), and Wilson et al (1995).
  • It may be worth linking your new section to other pages on Wikipedia to prevent it being an orphan! Links to mate jealousy etc would add to this.
  • You could briefly explore other mate guarding strategies such as emotional manipulation.
  • Evolved Homicide Module Theory talks about killing a partner to prevent the other male from gaining a reproductive advantage. Maybe exploring this in more detail will help to differentiate your two theories a bit better!

MattConnell94 (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Human Sexuality Peer Review[edit]

This is a great start to a fascinating topic! I appreciate this is not the finished product, but heres some suggestions as to edits to make as you progress with the article:

  • In the section of the "slip up theory" there are frequent mentions of technical terms, for example "mate guarding" "sexual jealousy" and "reproductive value". It would be beneficial to readers with a novice background in sexuality research to provide links to their respective Wikipedia pages.
  • Numerous citations are needed to support claims made in the 'Evolved homicide module theory' section.
  • There are also additional sources which could be used to support and strengthen the theory that younger women are at an increased risk of partner violence. Such as:

- Shackelford, T. K. (2001). Cohabitation, marriage, and murder: Woman‐killing by male romantic partners. Aggressive Behavior, 27(4), 284-291.

Overall, you have made a good start at developing a comprehensive overview of the topic and have began to explain evolutionary and psychological theories involved. I look forward to seeing this page develop!

EmmaOrton (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Your "slip up" theory is utter crap[edit]

For one thing this section is not even referenced. So who's half-baked opinion is this? For another, the "homicide" paragraph that follows cites ONE reference from two guys down at a university in Texas; some sort of dissertation about crime. We don't know where it was published, it says it's "under review" by a journal(?) called "Brain Science" and doesn't give a year for publication. So, your "theory" doesn't hold any water. It's all conjecture. It is also extremely biased, as it is written from the point of view of a man/men who clearly think(s) that violence towards women has an excusable and rational basis. Essentially the article can be distilled to this: it's all about some poor fuck who can't control his fertile woman. LOL. You need to clean this shit up. Because that's what it is. A stinking pile of excrement and a pack of lies.