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Removing notables[edit]

Taking these "notables" off the article page. If they get articles (which I doubt) they may be re added.

// Fred-Chess 13:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's perfectly all right with me, I just didn't want to be blamed for censoring this information when redirecting a misguided new creation here. However, some of these definitely ought to have articles; in fact, I'm going to add Dagmar Lange (who published some 40 very popular mystery books under the alias Maria Lang) to List of Swedish language writers straight away. / Alarm 15:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding[edit]

The swedish article is much bigger. Understandable, of course, but I am sure the english version could borrow a whole lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.84.192.238 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 28 August 2006‎

VIK hockey[edit]

Corrected the faulty information that VIK won the elite series in 1990. They haven't won that once. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.109.241 (talk) 12:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Climate and sources for climate table[edit]

Added some information about the climate, but since I'm not used the new system of editing I had some trouble with adding the sources to the climate table. I got told there was an error because there were no proper reference list in the reference section. It's probably an easy problem to solve (althrough I couldn't) so if someone is more used to this than me, please add the reference here for the weather table:

http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/temperatur/dataserier-med-normalv%C3%A4rden-1.7354

Also, I had some problems to move the picture of the old painting, which I think belong to history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastvillage91 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 27 June 2013‎

I fixed this. /NH (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

West Aros[edit]

I do not believe that this edit was constructive. There are enough instances in English literature, in history and now, where this town has been call West Aros in English to warrant that English Wikipedia not hide that fact from our readers. I will be reinstating that unless there is more input by neutral editors supporting the hush up. I say neutral because the editor from Swedish WP who removed it has a long history of choosing to be confrontational with me. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My edit was not a "hush up" – I removed information I have reason to believe is wrong, which I motivated in my edit comment.

Authoritative sources in English and from English-speaking countries where "West Aros" is used for "Västerås" seem to be hard to find: I have looked in the online version of "Encyclopedia Britannica", which does not have it. Google shows some Swedish companies, organizations etc that uses it, including the page referenced by SergeWoodzing, but very few mentions of "West Aros" on pages from the UK or the USA. Large Swiss–Swedish ABB Group with national headquarters (and historical roots) in Västerås uses "Västerås" on their web pages, not "West Aros". The same goes for the corporate (American) web pages of Westinghouse Nuclear, also with facilities in Västerås.

In short, "West Aros" seems not to be an established English exonym for the city of Västerås. And Wikipedia is not the place to introduce new such exonyms. In fact, I don't think there are very many Swedish cities or towns having established English exonyms. Gothenburg is the only one I can think of right now, and also the only city given here: English exonyms#Sweden. /NH (talk) 09:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the sources you removed are sufficient for us to mention this exonym in the article, not as a Wikipedia invention (which it obviously is not), but as a service to readers bound to encounter it on the Internet in sources such as those and in other future entries. Not to do so would be using Wikipedia pointers toward (against) knowledgeable Swedish companies and others who do use it. That's not our objective. What we need now is neutral input here. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Searching in Google Books also gives no "West Aros" as an English exonym. /NH (talk) 12:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

The removed edit did have a citation, but it did not definitively tie the name "West Aros" to the name "Västerås". If a reliable source could be found which directly ties the two names together, I think this information could be added in again. If not, I would suggest leaving it out for now. Bradv 15:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your input! The ref that was removed is an official European Union website in English and specifically gives West Aros as the "Location" of Mälardalen University College. When following the link given right there for that university, we find the address given in Swedish, as an address in Sweden should be. The EU gives the location of it as West Aros, in English, and the address all in Swedish using Västerås. I find it hard to imagine finding a more reliable source. Had I not found that one, and seen many others of good repute (mostly by Swedish organizations in West Aros who would like readers of English to be able to grasp the name of their city, in English) or course I would not have added the exonym. Would you please reconsider your opinion? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The objection from NH is that it is not well-established. In order to prove that this is a well-established English exonym, you may need more than one source. In this case, the EU could be attempting to push the English exonym, but it is not yet well-established in English usage. Perhaps if you can find a few more sources, may be even a source which clearly links the two names together and explains their relationship, that will satisfy NH's objections. Bradv 19:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asserting that it's well-established, as in widely known and generally used like the exonym Gothenburg. I'm asserting that the European Union uses it, as well as companies and other organizations in that town, when writing its name in English. To me, that's enough for us not to deny our readers the substantiated knowledge which they deserve and which we are here to provide. We are here for them, not to appease any Wikipedian, you, me or anyone else. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The web site referred to (this page) is not "the European Union". It is a page that collects information on various master education programs in the EU. It is not run by some EU institution or other body, but by an independent institution or company in Germany, as far as I can understand. It offers universities/etc the opportunity to advertise their various education programs to students and others. The text on the particular page is probably written by someone at the Mälardalen university college. It does use "West Aros" instead of "Västerås" – but is one of (very!) few pages on the internet that does so, in the sense of using it as an English exonym.

Many web pages which are operated by institutions or other bodies of the EU use the .europa.eu-suffix. Using Google to search only these pages for "West Aros" gives no result. "Västerås", on the contrary, gives lots.

Many occurences of "West Aros" on the Internet as a whole are from companies etc around Västerås in Sweden, using "West Aros" as a humorous Swedish–English variant. There is almost no evidence that "West Aros" is used as an exonym in English. On the other hand, if it were an established exonym, then it should not be so hard to find plenty of evidence.

/NH (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Humorous" is an interpretation that is far from obvious. I maintain that those companies and other websites merely want to use what they know from their own history is an accepted, albeit not extensively known, exonym that is easier to grasp and pronouce for non-Swedes. It's called good business sense, not "humorous". --SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If the exonym in question is "Westerosian", that is just an in-joke pun. 192.121.232.253 (talk) 08:52, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

I am concerned about the lack of sources in this article. The History, Today, Climate, Industry, Sports, and Notable natives sections have no references whatsoever. I would consider finding sources for this information a top priority, and the best way to improve the quality of this article. Bradv 15:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I hope someone familiar with those issues will do so soon. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]