Talk:Valentine's Day

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No critical words on how cruel it is to cut flowers and watch them die ? "[edit]

What do withering flowers and deadheads have to do with love ? Some critical thoughts please ! --2003:62:484A:F901:A96B:E894:45F:1E6B (talk) 15:43, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed move to "Saint Valentine's Day"[edit]

Throughout the article, "Saint Valentine's Day" is preferred over "Valentine's Day" therefore I propose that in accordance with the rest of the article the page "Valentine's Day" is moved to "Saint Valentine's Day". I ask an administrator to oblige and to move this page. Arfæst! 00:52, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose, as it is now commonly known at Valentine's Day. This is shown in the section covering current customs and practices. --NeilN talk to me 05:42, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose, Valentine's Day is the commonly used name. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Totally agree. When I came here, I expected the article's first sentence as currently written, laying out all widely recognized forms of the name of the day. However, the English name of the holiday is its name, "Saint Valentine's Day," even in the Infobox, for example (looking at a mis-matched Infobox and title does strain the eyes a bit). I feel that colloquialisms do not belong in an article's title, but are very appropriate and helpful for re-directs (sometimes I think that is why they were born). I was wondering idly if I would make the same proposal when I came across Arfæst's.  —Aladdin Sane (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I've changed those to comply with WP:LEADSENTENCE. --NeilN talk to me 21:05, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the proposal. It is its orginal name, several centuries old. Any other names for it should of course be indicated. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I too agree. If it became more common amongst the general public to all of a sudden write X-mas as opposed to Christmas, that would not change what the correct name for the holiday is. Just because colloquialisms and slang become more popular than the original and correct terms, they should not become the default in an encyclopedia article. Crusadinggoonie (talk) 04:26, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose Most common usage is the one we have. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Episodes[edit]

There is a List of Christmas television episodes and a List of Halloween television specials, how many would there need to be to warrant a split from the section I just made to a List of Valentine's Day television episodes ? I think a lot of series have them. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 01:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

"Observed by"...Catholic Church somehow missing[edit]

Dear all, Saint Valentine's Day is, first of all, celebrated by the Catholic Church (the Saint's official appellative is "Saint Valentine of Rome"). Somehow the infobox is missing this obvious information, can someone add it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.66.175 (talk) 00:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Eastern Orthodox Church[edit]

According to the Typikon of the Great Church of Christ (Τυπικὸν τῆς Μεγάλης τοῦ Χριστοῦ ᾽Εκκλησίας) and the liturgical calendar (or συναξάριον) Saint Valentine is not venerated nor on July 6 nor on July 30, nor on February 14, because there exit no Saint Valentine (Βαλεντίνος), nor Saint Valentinian or Valentian (Ουαλεντιανός or Ουαλεντίνος) in the Greek Orthodox Church, and all the Orthodox Churches of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

The liturgical calendar names all the saints and events commemorated each day of the liturgical year. Here is the liturgical calendar from the official site of the Church of Greece: February 14

July 6

July 30

No Saint Valentine. The official recognition of one as a saint from a denomination or a Church is one thing, and the unofficial “cult” or acknowledgment as a saint from people is another thing. Thus I removed the general “Eastern Orthodox Church”, because officially there is no such Saint in the Greek Orthodox Church, and all the Orthodox Churches that follow the Ecumenical Patriarchate Typikon.

If someone wants to find evidence can add in “Observed by” specifically which Eastern Orthodoxy Churches he /she finds evidence that observes a Saint Valentine's Day (although I doubt that even Churches venerating a Saint Valentine assign and observe a feast day). Wolfymoza (talk) 12:37, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

American history[edit]

In the section Celebration and status worldwide it says, "Valentine's Day customs[which?] developed in early modern England and spread throughout the Anglosphere in the 19th century."

In fact, St. Valentine's Day was observed by several congregations in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in earliest times. Each congregation was allowed to decide for itself which holidays to celebrate. It was one of Governor John Winthrop's favorite holidays. Here is an excerpt from a letter to his wife back in England:

Thine ever, Jo. Winthrop.

february 14, 1629.

Thou must be my valentine, for none hath challenged me.


Also, if you just spend a few minutes on Google Books, searching by century and picking the option to list the books in chronological order, you can at least get some idea of how many of our "Hallmark holiday" traditions are older than they appear.

Incidentally, this is part of a larger issue involving "invented traditions." Nearly every holiday, rite of passage, etc., has been blown out of proportion by business and industry, which in turn has sparked a backlash. The backlash people invent urban legends that these things only date to the early or mid 20th century, when it's only the overblown version that is so recent. In most cases a toned-down version existed much earlier. For example, diamond engagement rings became popular with the American lower middle class in the 1850s, the same decade that "pink for girls, blue for boys" was imported from France. Unfortunately, we have dozens of articles that repeat the urban legends. Zyxwv99 (talk) 21:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

It may well be that some traditions date back a long way, that is not to say that they haven't been appropriated by commercialism and had non-traditional activities artificially added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.62.26.100 (talk) 07:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Questioning This Pages Objectivity[edit]

Having read through the 'Connection with romantic love' and 'Lupercalia' subheading I can't help but question who wrote such a poor piece. Within two neighboring paragraphs we have the same exact assertion relying on the same one source yet declares in absolute that 'THERE IS NO EVIDENCE' even though many Catholic churches themselves disagree. It seems to have been swamped by a religious prude insulted at the very thought that what we celebrate today may have links to a more sexual celebration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EssenceOfThought (talkcontribs) 11:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2017[edit]

In the Chaucer quote translation "bryd" is incorrectly "bird" when it should be "bride." See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bryd Plentyoflight (talk) 18:55, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Done  B E C K Y S A Y L E 03:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

valentines day association with bird song[edit]

In the section discussing Chaucer's love birds it is stated that "it is an unlikely time for birds to be mating in England"

In fact anybody familiar with the countryside in Britain will be aware how regularly each year bird song - especially chaffinches and skylarks - starts in the middle of February. The birds are not necessarily mating then but establishing a territory and calling for a mate.

The article is presumably written by somebody in North America not familiar with the British countryside.

A correction is in order I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilsavory (talkcontribs) 21:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Holiday question[edit]

I do not think it is correct to say that Valentine's Day is a holiday. Normal activities are not suspended for Valentine's Day. People still go to work. People do not get any extra rest. 58.179.5.119 (talk) 21:43, 25 February 2017 (UTC)