Talk:Van Diemen's Land
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Who was Van Diemen that the land was named for? see http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/rkfadol/vandiemen.htm
he named the island Anthoonij van Diemenslandt in honor of Anthony van Diemen, Governor-General of the Dutch East Indies who had sent Tasman on his voyage of discovery in 1642.
The prisoners shipped from Ireland to Van Diemen's Land included not just criminals, but also political prisoners or those who were in any way associated with armed insurrection. The hatred of the Anglo-Australians was, at least to a large part, fuelled by the fact that many of the prisoners were "rebels," and worse Roman Catholics.--PeadarMaguidhir 10:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
True, it wasn't only or even mostly regular convict types. Don't forget the people who were kidnapped from Ireland, usually on specious charges if any, and sent to Van Diemen's land as well as to places such as Barbados. Whole villages were emptied in that way. JBDay 18:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
No governor mentioned?
Large song texts, and the dreaded cancer of a 'in popular culture'section and not one of all the notorious governors of the time dont even crack a mention - yet it belongs to the tasmania history category, nah, go on.... SatuSuro 15:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Van Diemen's Land or Van Diemens Land (being pedantic)
I would like to hear peoples opinion on the spelling of Van Diemen's/Van Diemens Land. Am I wrong or just pedantic? As and example you take a look at this map from 1644, the map does not use the apostrophe.
- The word you are looking for may be apostrophe rather than hyphen. BrainyBabe 12:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oops, I have fixed my mistake. I forgot to sign my post as well. Macr237 12:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The 1852 map (right) appears to have an apostrophe. The earlier maps are not annotated in English, so might follow different grammar rules. That said, Geoscience Australia do not put apostrophes on any names (eg Ayers Rock, not Ayer's Rock). --Scott Davis Talk 11:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- So we have an impasse. So does that mean either will do? --Macr237 11:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
In the language Dutch, two seperate words are generally joined together with a "joining letter" (often a "s"). So, 'Van Diemensland' is the land of Anthoony van Dieman. I guess that would imply the posessive, and an apostrophe would be, in English, correct.
section is becoming unwieldy with ad hoc addition - proposing to either remove the section in to a new article - or at least alphabeticise the named characters in the lists lest the article transmorgifies and runs screaming into WP:NOT without looking in any direction SatuSuro 04:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Van Diemen's Land (Northern Territory)
Apparently the western half of Arnhem Land was also named Van Diemen's Land in early Dutch records and maps.
From Major, Richard Henry (1859), Early Voyages to Terra Australis, p. cxv:
"Flinders remarks upon this account, 'What is here called the west must have been the north-west coast,' and he is right; for in the report here printed, the country is called 'Van Diemen's Land,' lying, as we know, on the north-west coast of New Holland, already in this introduction frequently referred to in distinction from the island more generally so known, and now called Tasmania."
From Malte-Brun, Conrad (1822), Universal Geography, p. 565:
"The east part of this coast has got the name of Arnhem's Land, a name which some think should comprehend the whole coast from Cape Van Diemen eastward, in order that the name of Van Diemen's Land, as applied to the westernmost portion of it, may be abolished, and become exclusively appropriated to the island now so famous on the south of Bass's Strait."
Hesperian 01:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)