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Miley Cyrus tattoo[edit]

(This comment was moved from my talk page): That Miley Cyrus has a jar of Vegemite tattooed on her hardly reflects the way that the world views Vegemite. From the news tonight it seems that she only did it because a friend introduced her to it. --AussieLegend () 13:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

It's a judgement call, of course, but it seems to me the fact that a pop star would embrace Vegemite in a tattoo says something about how it is viewed at the moment. She wouldn't, for example, tattoo herself with Smucker's jam or Hellman's mayonnaise (sorry if my examples are US-centric) but Vegemite has become funky or hipster or something like that. This is why I think a mention of the tattoo is reasonable. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Miley Cyrus' tattoo is really just a personal opinion, no different to yours or mine. It's not as if she's advertising Vegemite. The tattoo is just another of the "eccentric" things that she has done, and is more a comment on her, rather than a reflection of how people in the US treat Vegemite. --AussieLegend () 13:40, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
What strikes me as (mildly!) interesting is that somebody who so carefully curates her public persona would choose to incorporate Vegemite. I wonder if anybody else has an opinion? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:42, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Apparently she included it because it is the favourite spread of her current boyfriend, Liam Hemsworth. That's why I used "eccentric". People do strange things when they are in love. --AussieLegend () 17:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed it, but only just noticed this discussion on it, so I'll continue here. It's trivia at best and not suitable for an encyclopedia. It will be forgotten in a week. This rather odd individual also shaved her head but we don't mention her in an article on baldness.--Dmol (talk) 00:16, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
(Nobody can say that wikipedia doesn't expand your intellectual boundaries: I find myself defending a goofy pop star's antics!) It may be trivia but not necessarily trivial if it's reflective of a bigger trend, as I think it is, and it's certainly suitable for wikipedia, where "pop culture" listings are a common, and often valuable, part of articles. But in this small discussion I think consensus has been reached against me, so I'll take my peanut butter (vastly superior to Vegemite, say I) and retire. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
@AussieLegend Then we should remove the section about popular culture, because inside we read that "some actor some people don't like" did something, or "some president some people don't like" did something, or some "strange band made an unknown song"... etc.
I reverted the information, but for me this is starting to look like edit warring case so I won't revert it anymore. --OTPOBEH (talk) 11:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
It might well be that we should remove the section. However, for now there is no consensus to add your content so the article should remain in its previous format, per WP:STATUSQUO. Perhaps Dmol and {{u|DavidWBrooks)} might like to weigh in. --AussieLegend () 15:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

(unindenting, since this looks like this discussion may drag on) The idea of "popular culture" sections has long been controversial in wikipedia; many editors think they're pointless trivia pits and should never exist - and it certainly is easy for them to collect cruft. But they can have an important role in an article because they can give a sense of how the article's topic is regarded by society; they use examples, rather than just second-hand references, to demonstrate the position and role that the subject holds. Of course they involve judgment calls and are subjective, because all wikipedia editing involves judgment calls and is subjective.

Vegemite is just the sort of topic that benefits from pop-culture section, because it reflects how Vegemite has become elevated into a sort of weird national icon in certain circles, in a way that most condiments have not. This article, to be accurate and complete, must inform readers of this status. So yes, the popular-culture section should stay, and IMHO the Mylie Cyrus tattoo would be a good addition to it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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