Talk:Vegetable

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  • Better use of inline citation
  • Fully explain growth (from seed to vegetable)
  • Explain history in various human cultures
  • Explain the characteristics of a vegetable more definitely, discuss subgroups and differences.

Algae and mushrooms?[edit]

What about algae and mushrooms? Biologically they are no plants, but they are technically used the same way as vegetables. Should they be considered vegetables? Matthias Buchmeier (talk) 12:00, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

From a culinary point of view, both mushrooms and algae are vegetables. Any cook regards them as such.
See http://findlayfoods.com/dictionary-of-general-cooking-terms#V.%20Cooking%20Terms There are several types of vegetarians. Most will eat vegetables, fruits, grains, beans and tofu. Lacto-ovo vegetarians will eat dairy products and eggs. Lacto vegetarians will also eat dairy products. Note that there's no mention of mushrooms, but even the strictest vegan will eat mushrooms, and delicious mushroom recipes are an important part of the menu in every vegetarian eatery I've ever attended.
This is a significant change. Category:Edible fungi should for example be a subcategory of Category:Vegetables.
And Volvariella volvacea should be in Category:Asian vegetables. Or better, simply add Category:Chinese edible mushrooms to Category:Asian vegetables as a subcategory. Andrewa (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Definition[edit]

@Mikeybear: I don't think it's reader-friendly to start a definition of a broad concept, such as this one, with a comprehensive list of disclaimers and exclusions. Yes, there are sweet meals made from vegetables; there are savoury meals made from fruits; not every wine is alcoholic and made of grapes; and so on. But the basic definitions of these terms should not be expanded and diluted because there are exceptions. Exceptions and disclaimers should be listed in the article body first, and in the lead section only if they are of sufficient weight – I would argue that sweet meals made from vegetables are not so common to qualify. Likewise, some plants may be consumed whole (which ones, btw?) but it is only important that a "vegetable" typically refers just to a plant part.

The authoritative Vainio 2003 defines vegetables as "Edible plant parts ... generally consumed raw or cooked with a main dish, in a mixed dish, as an appetizer or a salad". I could live with a modifier such as "generally", but I don't think we should overload the first sentence. No such user (talk) 10:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

I find it odd that vegetables are defined in terms of human meals. Horses eat carrots. Humans snack on vegetables between meals. Not all vegetables are eaten in savoury meals. I'm sure a vegetable can be defined without needing to constrain them to savoury human meals. As for "vegetables" that aren't *part* of a plant, I had mushrooms in mind. I am aware they are an "exception" vegetable that are not plant matter as such, but they are considered a vegetable in terms of human food. Then there are tubers like potatoes. I think it is incorrect to say vegetables are only *part* of a plant. Mikey Bear (talk) 12:35, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
But vegetables are defined in terms of human meals. Horses eat apples and grass, too, but neither is a "vegetable". We could repeat the definition from Vainio, which is more encompassing than just "savoury meal", but that's the bottom line – vegetables are savoury rather than sweet plant foodstuff. Even if we accept that mushrooms are vegetables, a mushroom is just a part of the fungus, which is the whole organism. No such user (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Defining a vegetable is quite hard because so many different parts of so many plants are eaten by humans. A tomato is a botanic fruit but usually eaten as a vegetable. Sweet corn is usually considered to be a vegetable but maize/corn used for animal feed or industrial purposes is not. I was largely responsible for the present definition in the article and I largely agree with the views expressed by No such user. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Mushrooms and algae[edit]

Mushrooms and algae are not plants. They are considered vegetables, not plants. "Vegetables" is a culinary term; "plants" is a botanical term. I believe that the article can be made more clear by my correction, and that this revert is completely asinine. 50.4.236.254 (talk) 19:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually algae, in the most precise and current scientific sense, are plants. Kelp and seaweed, to which you refer in your edit, are most definitely plants. It's true that so-called "bluegreen algae" are cyanobacteria rather than plants, but I'm not sure they're ordinarily considered "vegetables".
I agree that mushrooms are not plants, in current scientific taxonomy, but are often considered vegetables, and I'm not opposed to amending the text to include them. --Trovatore (talk) 08:46, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Plant begins:
Plants are mainly multicellular, predominantly photosynthetic eukaryotes of the kingdom Plantae.
The term is today generally limited to the green plants, which form an unranked clade Viridiplantae. This includes the flowering plants, conifers and other gymnosperms, ferns, clubmosses, hornworts, liverworts, mosses and the green algae, and excludes the red and brown algae.
Brown algae include kelp. For whatever it's worth. —Tamfang (talk) 16:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Pictures[edit]

The "Vegetable shop in India" picture (Vegetable Shop in Meppadi.jpg) mostly shows fruit. Can someone find a better picture that actually fits the description? $ekraan (talk) 04:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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