Talk:Violence against LGBT people

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State-sponsored violence[edit]

The article says that "The Roman Empire starting under Constantine around 400 CE." Since Constantine was emperor between 306 and 337, I think "The Roman Empire starting under Constantine in the early 4th century", or maybe "The Roman Empire starting after Constantine around 400 CE." would be more appropriate.

Commenting to add date for bot archiving EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:06, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

More than hate crime[edit]

From an outsiders perspective to LGBT it seems to me that prejudice is inclusive but not limited to hate. Just because Violence against LGBT people is classified as a hate crime I dispute that this should limit the classification.

I suggest that the LGBT entry in: Template:Discrimination_sidebar is changed from "LGBT hate crime" to the actual title "Violence against LGBT people".

(Also wondered if there was a way to promote the use of My bad(ge) - Template:User recognises LG significance) Gregkaye (talk) 12:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Along the same lines as the previous suggestion, perhaps a section should be added to this article covering violence against sexual minorities from within their own community (as noted in the 2010 CDC report on Victimization by Sexual Orientation [1]), or which occurs as a reaction to violent or otherwise dangerous behavior on the part of sexual minorities (in some sense self-defense by other against LGBT groups. It seems to me that this article covers many important aspects of violence against the LGBT community, but is somewhat incomplete and potentially biased in scope.--Feinstein24 (talk) 09:35, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

"64% of the victims were gay men, 32% were trans women, and 4% were lesbians" (section "criminal assault")[edit]

While the interaction between the greater male inclination to violence and the existence of trans panic tropes supports the idea that the incidence of heterosexuality and bisexuality among transgender female murder victims may be higher than the incidence of heterosexuality and bisexuality among transgender women as a broader class, it would surprise me greatly if the number of transgender lesbians killed out of any given sample of LGBTQ+ murder victims was less than 1% of the total sample. Therefore, the fact that this statistic adds up to 100% suggests to me that it's fallaciously using "lesbians" to mean "cisgender lesbians". 86.153.60.194 (A) (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Of course trans women can be lesbians, and of course they are more likely to be violently killed than cis lesbians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.60.194 (B) (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Exactly, so the statistic is misleading86.153.60.194 (A) (talk) 18:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Why? If anything, I'd expect more of the sample to be lesbians, since roughly a third of trans women identify as lesbian in the surveys I've seen -- so it's surprising that the proportion of lesbians is not 10% or so. (Actually, this might be explained by the proportion of trans women who identify as lesbian being different in Brazil, where this statistic is from, than in the surveys I've seen.)
Oh! I see what you mean now. I completely misread "adds up to 100%" in your comment, and thought it said "adds up to more than 100%". Yes, you're completely right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.60.194 (B) (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure why the article is using statistics from a 2009 report, when the [2014 one] is available. Here's what it says, in highly dubious language: "Brazil remains the world champion of crimes motivated by homophobia and/or transphobia. According to international agencies, 50% of transgender murders last year were committed in Brazil. Of the 326 dead, 163 were gay, 134 transvestites, 14 lesbian, 3 bisexual and 7 were persons specifically known as t-lovers or transvestite-lovers. There also were 7 murders of heterosexuals, straight men who were mistaken to be gay or because they found themselves in homoerotic circumstances and/or homoerotic spaces." So I suspect that "transvestite" has been changed to "trans women" in the article's quoting of the report, which obscures problematic biases in how the victims were categorized. 86.153.60.194 (B) (talk) 18:39, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Why are you arguing with yourself? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:07, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
See what others (and me in a different comment) have said. Also, turns out it was a misunderstanding rather than an actual disagreement 86.153.60.194 (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Two different posters who happen to have the same IP, which is slightly odd; maybe we're coming from the same ISP's NAT? I just forgot to indent my response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.60.194 (B) (talkcontribs)
Same IP address. Please stop. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:14, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Yep, we're both coming from British Telecom's NAT. Not surprising since that covers a whole country! Anyway, now we've all hopefully learnt something about how unique IP addresses are :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.60.194 (B) (talk) 18:19, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Also, I have reason to believe you live with me :P 86.153.60.194 (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni photo[edit]

This photo should be removed, couple was executed for [blp violation removed]. --MehrdadFR (talk) 01:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Good Olfactory, you can find explanation here, pp. ix-xi. (one of few online available sources, publisher is Duke UP). --MehrdadFR (talk) 01:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I have no objection to it being removed any longer if everyone else is OK with it being removed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
That page doesn't mentioned anything about a 13 year old, it just mentions their names, thus the claim is a BLP and should be removed. Plus MehrdadFR tried to remove the | photo once before with an unacceptable edit summary. I'd request the edit summary be rev-deled as there was not nor is there now proof of MehrdadFR's assertion. KoshVorlon 16:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

We need to mention that a small number of ultra orthodox Jewish people hate LGBT people[edit]

At the end of this article there's a section about Judaism. We need a small mention that the Ultra Orthodox section of that community is sometimes strongly against LGBT people. Here's a case from England in 2016 about a transgender father being not being given contact with her children because the children would be ostracised by their school and community. Note that the judge referred the school to the schools regulator because of poor teaching around LGBT stuff. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/j-v-b-and-the-children-ultra-orthodox-judaism-transgender/ DanBCDanBC (talk) 11:51, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

A person being hated or ostracised but without violence would seem to be outside the scope of this article.--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Jeffro77's response is sufficient to answer your point, but even were that not the case, then there would be an issue with undue weight here. Try moving your comment to the Talk:Transphobia article, perhaps you'd get a different response there. Mathglot (talk) 20:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Pritchard?[edit]

The section on historic violence in the Middle East asserts that the passage in Leviticus condemning male same sex relationships is misconstrued and in fact is talking about male same sex rape. I was surprised as this was new information to me, so I looked at the citations wanting to know more. The only citations given for this is "Pritchard, p. 181" and "Pritchard, p. 468".

I'm not well versed in the site's rules but it would seem a claim like this would need multiple sources, or one very strong source. As it is I have no idea what "Pritchard" is and haven't been able to find out. Should this section be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crioca (talkcontribs) 02:27, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Doing some digging, this claim dates back to this revision. I looked at the edit history and user talk page of the user who added it, but did not locate the source (though admittedly I could've been more thorough in my search). I removed the text sourced to "Pritchard" from the article (and considering it looks very much like one person's interpretation, it should've probably read "According to Pritchard, [...]" to begin with). TompaDompa (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Suicide among the LGBT teens in terms of relation to the family is that family members who are not willingly to listen to their children who are gay they are more likely to commit suicide. Basically it is not the religious domination that makes a LGBT teen commit suicide it is about acceptance and guidance within the family that helps to make the child more accepting of their sexuality instead of feeling that their sexuality is a burden upon the family.[2] Nia Dokes (talk) 01:11, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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  1. ^ https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_victimization_final-a.pdf
  2. ^ Sells, Heather (June 4th, 2017). "Southern Baptists push back against LGBT Activists". CBN News. Retrieved September 5th,2107.  Check date values in: |accessdate=, |date= (help)