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- 1 External links modified
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- 4 External links modified (February 2018)
- 5 Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018
- 6 Semi-protected edit request, 25 May 2018
- 7 Why isn’t there any mention of White (European) Slavery, which occurred within the Virginia Colony before 1619 AD, yet there is mention of African Slavery?
- 8 Energy grid
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Add in details 65.96.90.22 (talk) 23:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Not done You have to be specific - see the instructions.--Mojo Hand (talk) 00:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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The lede says "...Virginia's northwestern counties seceded to form the state of West Virginia." Unfortunately, neither of the linked articles uses this terminology, which would seem absurd: "seceding from the secessors"? I suggest replacing "seceded" with "rejected the secessionists, forming a new Unionist state". 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Done I amended the lede to read in part,- "In 1792 it ceded Kentucky to become another state. In the American Civil War, Virginia’s Secession Convention resolved to join the Confederacy with a Rebel Congressional delegation, Virginia’s First Wheeling Convention resolved to remain in the Union as Virginia with a Unionist Congressional delegation, then the Second Wheeling Convention resolved to create the additional state of West Virginia in the Union."
- The rationale is (a) to mention the both states created out of the State Commonwealth of Virginia, not just one; (b) to impartially and objectively account for all three of the divisions among Virginia Conventions and their respective Congressional delegations in the American Civil War. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know if we need to mention Kentucky in the lead, it feels a bit like saying Michigan was part of Connecticut. I just feel like these details can be in the History subsection and just summarized in the lead. Are you sure we don't want to mention Richmond when mentioning secession?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 23:38, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- No need to mention Michigan in the lede for Virginia, though Michigan was also part of Virginia during the Continental Congress, part of the western territory cession Thomas Jefferson negotiated while in Congress. Virginia had prior claim to the territory, and it was secured from the British by General George Rogers Clark with Virginia militia during the Revolution. Jefferson's "giveaway" was in part to make the conflicting Connecticut claim and others moot among the states. -- here for the article lede, we need just mention the two states made from the state, Commonwealth of Virginia after the adoption of the Constitution: Kentucky and West Virginia.
- The choice of the rebel capital by the Confederate Provisional Congress is not particularly germane to an overall introduction to the state Virginia, though it is worth mentioning further down in the article. It made Virginia a battleground before Virginia's plebiscite ratifying secession, thwarting the proposal in the Virginia Secessionist Convention by then Unionist Delegate Jubal Early (later General, CSA) to make Virginia neutral, with Virginia forces militarily blocking either a Northern army striking south, or a Southern army striking north. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- No, I really don't think we need to mention Kentucky, the secessionist convention, the 37th congress, the First Wheeling Convention nor the Second Wheeling Convention by name in the summary. This all information we can have in the History section, but its too detailed for the lead. I suggest one sentence that mentions Virginia joined the Confederacy, Richmond was its capital, and West Virginia separated. Maybe say several battles occurred. We can pipe wikilinks to those specific articles for what that's worth. I also don't understand how these edits are a response to the protected edit request above. All that the user was suggesting was changing the verb "seceded" in reference to West Virginia. I suggest "split-off" as an option there.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:52, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- The Virginia Secession convention resolved to join the Confederacy, that is a fact, but Virginia could not join the Confederacy without a Federal Constitutional Amendment, and a resolution to that effect failed in the U.S. Congress at the time.
- How about dropping Kentucky, the 37th Congress, the Second Wheeling Convention and West Virginia in the introduction thus: "In the American Civil War, Virginia’s Secession Convention resolved to join the Confederacy, and Virginia’s First Wheeling Convention resolved to remain in the Union." TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, perhaps finish that sentence with "resolved to remain in the Union, creating the state of West Virginia."-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 23:35, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, to get to West Virginia, we must move past the First Wheeling Convention. It is the Second Wheeling Convention that resolves to create West Virginia, if Congress would allow it. Perhaps we could make the passage, "In the American Civil War, Virginia’s Secession Convention resolved to join the Confederacy, and Virginia’s First Wheeling Convention resolved to remain in the Union. The Second Wheeling Convention successfully moved to create West Virginia." TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 18:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's fine and factual, I'm just trying to keep it short and to the point in our summary. How about "...leading to the separate state of West Virginia." -- Patrick, oѺ∞ 14:03, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's better. Agreed. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's fine and factual, I'm just trying to keep it short and to the point in our summary. How about "...leading to the separate state of West Virginia." -- Patrick, oѺ∞ 14:03, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, to get to West Virginia, we must move past the First Wheeling Convention. It is the Second Wheeling Convention that resolves to create West Virginia, if Congress would allow it. Perhaps we could make the passage, "In the American Civil War, Virginia’s Secession Convention resolved to join the Confederacy, and Virginia’s First Wheeling Convention resolved to remain in the Union. The Second Wheeling Convention successfully moved to create West Virginia." TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 18:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, perhaps finish that sentence with "resolved to remain in the Union, creating the state of West Virginia."-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 23:35, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- No, I really don't think we need to mention Kentucky, the secessionist convention, the 37th congress, the First Wheeling Convention nor the Second Wheeling Convention by name in the summary. This all information we can have in the History section, but its too detailed for the lead. I suggest one sentence that mentions Virginia joined the Confederacy, Richmond was its capital, and West Virginia separated. Maybe say several battles occurred. We can pipe wikilinks to those specific articles for what that's worth. I also don't understand how these edits are a response to the protected edit request above. All that the user was suggesting was changing the verb "seceded" in reference to West Virginia. I suggest "split-off" as an option there.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:52, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know if we need to mention Kentucky in the lead, it feels a bit like saying Michigan was part of Connecticut. I just feel like these details can be in the History subsection and just summarized in the lead. Are you sure we don't want to mention Richmond when mentioning secession?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 23:38, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Why isn’t there any mention of White (European) Slavery, which occurred within the Virginia Colony before 1619 AD, yet there is mention of African Slavery?[edit]
Why isn’t there any mention of White (European) Slavery, which occurred within the Virginia Colony before 1619 AD, yet there is mention of African Slavery—perhaps because this fact is not well known? I can vouch for that notion, because I didn’t know this fact due to the fact that it is not taught in our school systems in the U.S. However, I would be happy to contribute towards Wikipedia’s effort to promoting such facts/truth; therefore, I’ve provided, for your convenience, my proposed contributions towards this hidden fact along with its respective cited sources.
As historians, we like nothing more than to understand documentary sources via the Cause and its eventual Effects … well, here, this order prevails as you will witness by actual events that occurred between 1607 to 1624 AD.
Let’s start off with the following for substance:
THE CAUSE WITH DATES - (the 400 Survivors’/Ancient Farmers’ Testimonial Document)[1]
1. This document (13 pages), with a 1624 AD date, influenced by acts taken below by King James and public officials, is truly the smoking gun because it overwhelmingly describes in detail:
- A. How and to what extent the Virginia Colony’s Settlers, during its 1st 12-year period (1607 to 1619 AD), were TREATED -- atrocities described by those who survived their conditions of enslavement -- by several of its elected governors sent by the Virginia Company of London (VCL) from London (several governors were military men who implemented Martial Law to discipline the colony);
- B. How badly the 1st Nations were treated; and
- C. That there were 400 Survivors out of a total of less than 2,000 Settlers.
PLEASE NOTE: This 13-page document and its entire contents warrant its own Wikipedia article, regardless.
ITS EFFECTS WITH DATES
1. Perhaps you are familiar with “The Great Charter” of 1619 AD (aka “Instructions to George Yeardley”)[2] that is associated with the Virginia Colony, which influenced the start of the Virginia House of Burgesses[3] from its General Assembly during the same year. This 10-page document noted as “Instructions to George Yeardley” (who was the newly elected governor for the Virginia Colony at the time) also contained:
- A. Instructions to convey to the survivors that the atrocities (such as oppression, corruption, former difficulties and dangers) that occurred during the 1st 12-year period, 1607 to 1619 AD, were overcome, viz., by granting absolute freedom from enslavement conditions throughout the colony;
- B. Instructions to issue each Ancient Farmer (survivor) a certain amount of acreage depending upon the conditions of: 1) whether he paid his transportation or paid by the VCL to the colony, 2) and whether he arrived before or after Governor Dale’s departure, which was April 1616 AD; and
- C. Instructions to set up local government agencies to govern the colony.
2. What steps King James and public officials took to document such atrocities:
- A. Alderman Robert Johnson, former Deputy Treasurer of VCL for the Virginia Colony, who lived in the colony, came forward submitting a humble request, in 1623 AD, to King James to have an investigation performed; [4]
- B. In 1623 King James’s Privy Council created a Royal Commission to investigate the VCL and to assess those who survived said atrocities before King James put in motion steps to revoke the VCL’s Charter to further govern the Virginia Colony;[5] and
- C. Another document with the names of 30 designated individuals, [6] written in 1624 AD, gave their unanimous declaration/testament, from their perspective, about the conditions the said survivors endured because of what they witnessed while living in the Colony during this 12-year period, 1607 to 1619 AD.
3. A professional critical analysis rendered by a parapsychologist (Dr. Walter Prince) about the exclusive control exercised by Governor Dale over the Virginia colony for “the political order, moral and religious discipline and laws designed for the military discipline of the soldiery” [7]
Looking forward to contributing and all the best to you all…
Nubianpageants (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
A few minutes later, I attempted to test the links but they didn't work--not understanding why, but will pursue.
Nubianpageants (talk) 01:51, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Energy grid[edit]
I would like to propose creating a new subsection called "Energy grid." I think it should include how Virginia produces its electricity, major producers and distributors, energy costs compared to the rest of the country, and renewable energy efforts. I look forward to hearing your feedback on this before getting started.BrandenburgG (talk) 10:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
- ^ The Project Gutenberg eBook, Colonial Records of Virginia, September 13, 2007, “A BREIFE DECLARATION of the Plantation of Virginia duringe the first Twelve Yeares, when Sir Thomas Smith was Governor of the Companie, & downe to this present tyme. By the Ancient Planters nowe remaining alive in Virginia,” pp. 69-81
- ^ Encyclopedia Virginia - “Instructions to George Yeardley”
- ^ Wikipedia - House of Burgesses
- ^ The Records of The Virginia Company of London, “THE COURT BOOK, FROM THE MANUSCRIPT IN THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS,” Kingsbury, Dr. Susan, Washington Government Printing Office, 1906, Vol. II pp. 373-374
- ^ Encyclopedia Virginia – Virginia Company of London
- ^ American Journeys Collection The Tragical Relation of Virginia Assembly, 1624 AD
- ^ Scarboro, Dewey, “The Establisher: The Story of Sir Thomas Dale,” Old Mountain Press, 2014, Kindle Edition, location 139, or Dr. Prince, Walter “The First Criminal Code of Virginia”, American Historical Association Annual Report, 1899, Vol I, Article IX, pp. 309-363.
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