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- 1 Zhirinovsky - its just Troll, global size Troll...
- 2 Untitled
- 3 what the hell?
- 4 Somebody Varify This?
- 5 Ick
- 6 Category:Russian Jew
- 7 1993 election video
- 8 "NPOVing"
- 9 Ultra nationalist
- 10 Unbalanced
- 11 Controversies
- 12 Self-Hating Jew
- 13 File:Vladimir Zhirinovsky LDPR.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 14 NPOV Tag
Zhirinovsky - its just Troll, global size Troll...
The phrases about washing in Indian Ocean and Russian mom.
what the hell?
This is a very strange article. I don't know if I should remove the part about the alleged rumours that he is supposed to destroy the credibility of the right-wing, so I left it in. I hope someone with more knowledge of this strange individual can add more info... saturnight 10:48, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
- I've removed that rumor section, as well as the entire quotes section, as I couldn't find any sources for them. Ambi 11:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
It's the people who don't know them well yet who don't hate jews.
I don't know who wrote the article about him, but Vladimir Zhirinovsky is not Jewish, and in fact violently hates Jews.
Yes, some people claim he's anti-Semitic, but he in fact IS half-Jewish. Whoever wrote that originally was correct. --JPan 01:26, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Just came by this article. The image of this guy is that of a quirky weirdo who does not make sense at all. I remember as he resolved arguments with a glass of orange juice in opponents face, once he took out a gun and offered his the guy he was talking to to shoot himself(that was Nemtcov both times, but he behaves no differently with others), or then they discussed nuclear weapons he said on a camera with a straight face(if it can be called that), that "I'm coming from a secret meeting, we have the weapons that will obsolete the nuclear, we will sink entire continents overnight(IIRC he mentioned a continent, guess which one %) )". For he has no association with the righ wing, but mostly he manages to discredit them simply by getting to the same debating show, taking time (turning airtime into nuthouse time), and I have no idea who votes for those guys. Allegedly his party has no opinion of its own, they just join the majority. I do not remember him to say anything specific about Jewish, but I guess he spoke a lot gibberish in hope to reassure his image including this. If not LDPR's fraction in Dima I would have liked to see it in List of frivolous political parties.
He's actualy more of a performer than a politician. However most call him a 'clown'. His party lacks an actual political course and he himself says that they actually do not oppose the Kremlin's policy or even support it. Such politicians are used to demonstrate that Russia has agressive nationalistic forces within and these forces can be awakened if something... He's known for directly badmouthing George Bush Jr. for Iraq and 'giving him advice' to jointly strike Georgia instead. Many rap-style mixes were created using this speech. No real politician can be taken seriously after declaring such things. Also he once sang a song in Batman's costume... He plays his role as a skillful actor. - email@example.com
The article fails to indicate that Vladimir Volfovich was vice-speaker of Russian Duma for many years, lower House of parliament. I think that in fact, if several Russian leading figures, including the President, prime-minister and speaker of Duma were to suddenly perish, Vladimir Vladimirovich would have assumed head of state position as caretaker.
Whatever claims are made that Zhirinovski is to be considered a mere joke, he is popularly elected representative and his official place in the Russian governing elite has been one of the highest.
--220.127.116.11 29 June 2005 07:58 (UTC)
Well from what I can tell reading from a book written by Markia Pruska-Carroll, He is first and foremost a Russian Nationalist. He does not hold his Jewish background as his primary heritage and instead wishes to amplify his Russian heritage. THis is not because he is anti-semitic, he claims to be anti-zionist which is not the same thing. It can be agreed that some things he states are far from realistic, but THe retaking of Alaska could happen in all reality. I am not sure but the USA may be returning some or part of the Aleutian Islands to the Russian Federation. I am not sure on that...and I think it a bad idea. He is a popular man, and he has authority. He bears close watching.
- Grammar and meaning: Those who know the facts about Zhirinovsky need to fix this article. Many sentences are totally ambiguous. The article looks like it was written by a non-native English speaker or translated from another language.
- I tried to modify the article and make it more accessible, however, I have not done too much...Have a look at it and try to decide wether my version is satisfying or other adjustments must be made. --Vargher 15:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Somebody Varify This?
I remember back in 1996-95 hearing about Zhirinovsky appearing on a talk show and telling the host that he ate a limb off his own misscarried daughter so as to make a point to his grieving wife. I have looked everywhere BUT HAVE NEVER been able to find this story. Is this just an urban legend? 18.104.22.168 02:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I knew that since the guy is a nutjob the article might not be in so hot of a shape but I had no idea. I gave it a shot. --TJive 13:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is well known that he is half-Jewish. But he neither indicated himself as Jew, nor was classified as a Jew by Soviet or Russian system, and of course his religion is not Judaism. Thus, I do not think the cat is warranted abakharev 23:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
In Russia he'd still be considered 'polavina Russkiy, polavina Yevrey'. Your ethnictiy is your ethnicity, and you can't run away from it. Besides, if self-identification was important, than half the people Wikipedia lists as Jews wouldn't be there. CommanderJamesBond 07:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- Self-identification is, in fact, critical for categories. See WP:BLP#Use_of_categories. And you're right, half the people on Wikipedia's Jew lists shouldn't be there. Jayjg (talk) 02:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Self-identification is critical for religion categories, yes. But the Jew categories are a special case, because "Jew" refers both to the Jewish ethnicity and to believers in Judaism. Thus, a person can be a Jew without being an adherent of Judaism, because while religion is a matter of choice, ethnicity is a permanent physical and genetic aspect of our being. Thus, Mr Zhirinovsky is ethnically (among other things) Jewish. Whether he wants to be or not. That's just how ethnicity works. — Red XIV (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Would you also remove him from Kazakhstani people seen as he doesn't recognize Kazakhstan as a country and is a persona non grata there on the other hand? If you were born in Kazakhstan, you're Kazakhstani, if you were born to a Jewish father and non-Jewish mother, you're a half-Jew, like it or not. Personally, I don't understand the forced importance people tend to assign to these issues, but they do, and Wikipedia should reflect that. Maurog 12:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
1993 election video
Does anybody remember his 1993 election video? The video starts with a man and his wife sitting in bed, watching TV. Zhirinovsky shows up on the screen dancing around with a few blondes, after which the husband starts making clumsy attempts at foreplay. His wife slaps him away and says something to the effect of "No, I want a real man like Zhirinovsky!" Any help on this would be much appreciated and I would be very appreciative if anyone had a link to it (if it's even online). No, this isn't vandalism or some kind of joke: Zhirinovsky is just that surreal.
http://tomsk.fm/watch/17153 - That's one of his old election videos, maybe the one you've mentioned (my browser cant play Flash) http://tomsk.fm/watch/16572 - Zhirinovsky tells about some super secret weapon that can destroy continents You can see the rest of them at http://tomsk.fm/tags/single/?find=жириновский - a whole lot of them on that site. It is true that many Russians consider him either a clown or a madman, but more probably he is indeed just a good actor used by Kremlin to compromise the right wing. As for his Jewish heritage, it's a well-known fact, but IIRC he never spoke of it in public. When asked who his parents were by nationality, he replied "My mother was Russian and my father was lawyer". 22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
You are removing sourced information, and adding blantant falsehoods. Thats not NPOVing, thats vandalism. Ostap 01:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- I do not know how about v. word, but you are right - deletion of sourced and relevant information is bad. I added more sourced text and hope it will not be deleted like everything in article Russian presidential election, 2008.Biophys (talk) 01:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Miyokan, stop whitewashing the article. Sources clearly refer to him as an ultra nationalist. Perhaps you have a WP:COI problem with this article and should not edit it. Ostap 01:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- It is abundantly clear from text of this article that he is indeed an ultra-nationalist. I do not know how someone can claim that he is not.Biophys (talk) 02:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- One could conceivably claim Zhirinovsky is a comedian, but it sadly appears he is serious... Ostap 02:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Since he doesn't label himself as an ultranationalist then we can't present it as fact. There also exists sources that describe George Bush as a fascist, try adding "George W Bush is a fascist politician" to that article. Use some common sense rather than try to push your agenda.--Miyokan (talk) 02:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- One could conceivably claim Zhirinovsky is a comedian, but it sadly appears he is serious... Ostap 02:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Zhirinovsky is not an ultranationalist. There are ultranationalists in Russia but they are not allowed to be ellected. In fact, Zhirinovsky fought ultranationalists, for example, members of Rodina. Rodina party was ultranationalistic. In fact, Zhirinovsky is a Liberal Democrat and he proposed many Liberal Democratic reforms. His homepage is the only one in Russia that doesn't have censure so he protects the freedom of speech. You can call him names and they never delete unlike homepages of other Russian politicians. There is a huge misunderstanding about Zhirinovsky. Igor Skoglund
Most of this article is the controversies section hence it is unbalanced. While I don't doubt that he is a colorful figure, we need to present a balanced view as this is a WP:BLP. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- It is these controversies and his flamboyant speeches that bring him to public attention in both Russia and abroad. His role in Russian policy making has long been minimal. I don't really think that the article is unbalanced.--KoberTalk 04:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- You will have to provide more valid reasons for your tag abuse. You may feel sympathy towards the guy, but to most people in Russia as well as abroad he is just a clown. Please be more precise and suggest your vision of a balanced text instead of throwing tags around. --KoberTalk 14:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Drop the incivility, I have explained about that the articles controversies section takes up most of the article. Actually 75% of the article is the controversies section and this is unbalanced with respect to BLP. The practise with regard to BLPs is to avoid using section titles like "Controversies". As well as not making things one sided. Much of the stuff in the controversies section does not need to be there even if it has a third party source. For example your recent addition doesn't need to be there, its not big news and its not biographical. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 14:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, now I see what is the source of your irritation. It was big news at that time and was reported by all mainstream media sources. So, it should stay there whether you like it or not. As I said before his escapades are the principal reason why he appears in the media reports. If you can recall more productive periods in his biography, please share your knowledge with us and, once sourced, your info will immediately find its room in the article. Agreed? --KoberTalk 14:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Kober, that was just one example, there are others, quit taking this personally. Regardless of whether you think it was big news at the time, its not biographical. A biography of a living person in wikipedia is not a news aggregator of every outrageous thing the subject has said. Biophys, regardless of how you feel about the subject, a biography of living person is not the place to tell the world the WP:TRUTH. It should be written like a biography. Please see britanica's article on Zhirinivosky it's accurate and doesn't white wash the subject and yet it's done biographically. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don’t think this particular article aggregates news. The phrases cited just exemplify his political views and rhetoric. Let the reader read and understand their essence. Otherwise, we should have to reduce the entire section to a couple of brief statements describing him as anti-liberal, anti-Semite, anti-American, anti-Georgian, anti-Japanese, imperialist, militarist, etc. And then, of course, you are going to declare that, although you consider this guy to be colorful, the section is POV and attacks his personality.--KoberTalk 04:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Zhirinovsky has been widely accused of anti-Semitism (he also suggested that Jews were often to blame for anti-Semitism) for statements in which he accused Jews of ruining Russia, sending Russian women to foreign countries as prostitutes, selling children and organs to the Western world, and provoking the Holocaust. He repeatedly denied his father's Jewishness until he published Ivan Close Your Soul in July 2001, describing how his father, Volf Isaakovich Eidelshtein, changed his surname from Eidelshtein to Zhirinovsky. He rhetorically asked, "Why should I reject Russian blood, Russian culture, Russian land, and fall in love with the Jewish people only because of that single drop of blood that my father left in my mother's body?"
Zhirinovsky is well known for his boasts pertaining to other countries, having expressed a desire to reunite countries of the ex-Soviet "near abroad" with Russia to within the Russia's borders of 1900 (including Finland and parts of Poland), and dreaming of a day "when Russian soldiers can wash their boots in the warm waters of the Indian Ocean" after the Russia's conquest of Afghanistan, Iran and Turkey, and occupation of the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean. Zhirinovsky has advocated forcibly retaking Alaska from the United States (which would then become "a great place to put the Ukrainians"), dumping nuclear waste in Germany, and using nuclear weapons and/or naval blockade-imposed starvation against Japan. In July 2007, in response to questions about Russian troops carrying out extensive war games which reportedly included rehearsals of a Baltic invasion, Zhirinovsky, who encourages separatism within the Russian minority in the Baltic states, endorsed the forcible re-occupation of these countries. Among his early threats, Zhirinovsky claimed Russia possesses "Elipton," a weapon of mass destruction suposedly more powerful than nuclear weapons.
Russia’s southern neighbor Georgia has been another frequent target of Zhirinovsky’s rhetoric. He has described Georgians as “an incapable nation” which likes “to eat, drink and play football” and “then can complain, cry and call to Moscow and Washington, receive some gifts and continue enjoying themselves.” He has been critical of Georgia’s pro-Western line, arguing that “the closer Georgia comes to NATO membership, the faster Abkhazia becomes a part of Russia,” referring to Georgia’s breakaway republic of which Zhirinovsky is an energetic supporter. In a high-profile incident in August 2004, he departed on a campaign to promote a tourist season in Abkhazia, accompanied by dozens of his party activists and Russian journalists aboard a cruise ship. It was intercepted by a Georgian coast guard vessel which eventually let the ship arrive at the Abkhazia coast.
Zhirinovsky hailed what he described as "the democratic process" in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, whom he supported strongly. The friendship dated at least until the first Gulf War in 1991, during which time Zhirinovsky sent several armed volunteers from the "Falcons of Zhirinovsky" group to support the Iraqi president. Allegations have dogged Zhirinovsky closely since the fall of Baghdad that he personally profited from illicit oil sales as part of the Oil-for Food scandal, a charge investigated in 2005 by the Independent Inquiry Committee into the Oil-for-Food Programme (Volcker Commission) and the US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (PSI). Zhirinovsky is also close to the Serbian ultra-nationalist leader and war crimes suspect Vojislav Šešelj. He reportedly even praised Adolf Hitler's ideology of Nazism, befriended Edwin Neuwirth (an Austrian industialist and a "proud" Waffen-SS veteran who has denied that the Nazis used gas chambers to kill Jews during World War II), and the German press denounced him as "Russia's Hitler". He also declared Bulgaria should annex the Republic of Macedonia, and said Romania is an artificial state supposedly created by Italian Gypsies who seized territory from Russia, Bulgaria and Hungary.
He has expressed admiration for the 1996 United States presidential election contender Pat Buchanan, and referred positively to a comment in which Buchanan labeled the United States Congress "Israeli-occupied territory". Zhirinovsky said that both countries were "under occupation" and that "to survive, we could set aside places on US and Russian territories to deport this small but troublesome tribe." Buchanan strongly rejected Zhirinovsky's endorsement, eliciting a harsh response by Zhirinovsky: "You soiled your pants as soon as you got my congratulations. Who are you afraid of? Zionists?" Previously, during the 1992 visit to the United States, Zhirinovsky called on television "for the preservation of the white race" and warned that the white Americans were in danger of turning "their country" over to black and Hispanic people.
In 1999, at the start of the Second Chechen War, Zhirinovsky, the ardent supporter of the first war in Chechnya in the mid-1990s, advocated hitting some Chechen villages with tactical nuclear weapons. In 2006, in answer to the Ramzan Kadyrov's support for polygamy in Chechnya, he said it should be applied across Russia. To eradicate bird flu, Zhirinovsky suggested arming all of Russia's population and ordering the troops to shoot down the migrant birds returning to Russia from wintering. He has also threatened to remove restrictions on arms sales to Iran and proposed to sell the disputed Kurile Islands to Japan for $50,000,000,000. In 2008, he was shown shooting rifle at the targets representing his political rivals. Besides expressing his hatred for the Turks and the Caucasians, he also called for the deportation of all Japanese and Chinese from Russia.
In 2005, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan declared Zhirinovsky persona non grata on the territory of his historical homeland, due to the politician's controversial speech about the change of the Russia-Kazakhstan border, in which he questioned the Kazakh people's place in history. Zhirinovsky maintains his view, claiming that his position is backed by a number of academic works on history and geography. As of 2006, Zhirinovsky was persona non grata also in Ukraine following his statements regarding the January 2006 Russia-Ukraine gas dispute (this was revoked in 2007). In reaction to Condoleezza Rice's criticism of Russian foreign policy during the dispute, Zhirinovsky stated that "Condoleezza Rice needs a company of soldiers [and] needs to be taken to barracks where she would be satisfied." In the past, Zhirinovsky has been expelled from Bulgaria for insulting its president. He was also barred from entry to Germany.
On the November 2006 death by poisoning of Russian defector Alexander Litvinenko, Zhirinovsky said: "Any traitor must be eliminated using any methods. If you have joined the special services to work, then you should work, but to betray, to run away abroad, to give up the secrets you learned while working - all of this looks bad." Sergei Abeltsev, Zhirinovsky's former bodyguard and State Duma member from the LDPR, added: "The deserved punishment reached the traitor. I am sure his terrible death will be a warning to all the traitors that in Russia the treason is not to be forgiven. I would recommend to citizen Berezovsky to avoid any food at the commemoration for his crime accomplice Litvinenko." In the 2007 election, political patronage from Zhirinovsky enabled Litvinenko murder suspect Andrei Lugovoi to win election to the Russian parliament and thus the formal parliamentary immunity. During the resulting political row between the United Kingdom and Russia, Zhirinovsky accused Great Britain ("the most barbaric country on the planet", he said) of, among other things, fomenting the World War I, the October Revolution, World War II, and the collapse of the Soviet Union, and suggested dropping nuclear bombs over the Atlantic Ocean in an effort to flood Britain.
Zhirinovsky also has a history of igniting personal violence in political contexts. In his notorious debate with Boris Nemtsov in 1995 a "juice fight" broke out. In 2003, Zhirinovsky engaged in a fistfight after a television debate with Mikhail Delyagin. In 2005, Zhirinovsky ignited a brawl in the parliament by spitting at a Rodina party legislator, Andrei Saveliyev.
While some observers were inclined to consider such controversies as stark efforts to drum up nationalist support and should not be viewed as anything more serious than electoral fodder meant for domestic consumption, there was great consternation at the fact that in February 1996, months before a presidential election, Zhirinovsky placed second in opinion polls, behind Communist Gennady Zyuganov and ahead of Boris Yeltsin. In the end, however, Zhirinovsky placed fifth with a 5.7% share in the first round of voting. Since then, the party's fortunes have somewhat stabilized, with the 2003 election seeing a LDPR vote share of 11.7%, while the effect of Zhirinovsky's personality only increased his irrelevancy in successive presidential elections. (In 2004, Zhirinovsky declined to even be nominated by the party, leaving that role to Oleg Malyshkin, who received a nearly negligible portion of the vote.) While some commentators call Zhirinovsky a fascist (or a neo-fascist), some others dismiss him as a mere "clown" and the Kremlin's willing political tool to neutralize the right-wing voter potential - and, for a time being, also a radical "bogeyman" for the West.
All of this cited information was just removed from the article, because of the section title "controversy". It needs to be readded in the correct sections. Ostap 03:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- In Moscow, Zhirinovsky Is Remembered as Jewish Advocate, The New York Times, December 16, 1993
- Zhirinovsky admits Jewish roots BBC News, 19 July, 2001
- Ultra-right gains in poll The Age, December 9, 2003
- Zhirinovsky is Russia's big bad wolf - success of Vladimir Wolfovich Zhirinovsky in recent Russian elections - Column
- Vladimir Zhirinovsky Information Technology Services at SUNY Brockport
- Nuclear Threats and Busty Ladies in the Race for Second-Place in Russia Der Spiegel, February 28, 2008
- Russia threatens Baltic missile build-up The Baltic Times, Jul 05, 2007
- Hello, I Must Be Going Time Magazine, Jan. 10, 1994
- [ http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/5516-0/ Vladimir Zhirinovsky: Georgia brings trouble to Russia.] Pravda.ru. May 10, 2004.
- Teresa Whitfield (2007), Friends Indeed?: The United Nations, Groups of Friends, and the Resolution of Conflict, p. 155. US Institute of Peace Press, ISBN 1601270054.
- Inal Khashig (August 19 2004), Abkhazia Revels in Nationalist’s Visit. Institute for War and Peace Reporting Caucasus Reporting Service No. 247.
- PDF (78.0 MiB)
- Russia's Zhirinovsky now blasts Buchanan as 'crap' Jewish News Weekly, March 1, 1996
- The World; Here Comes the Clown. No Joke. The New York Times, November 6, 1994
- Russian Parliamentary Election 1999 RFE/RL, 17 December 1999
- Polygamy proposal for Chechen men BBC News, 13 January 2006
- Action for protection of birds from Zhirinovsky to be held in Moscow
- Zhirinovsky: Russia's political eccentric BBC News, March 10, 2000
- The Beast Reawakens By Martin A. Lee
- (Russian) Жириновскому запретили приезжать на историческую родину from Lenta.ru
- Condoleezza Rice's anti-Russian stance based on sexual problems Pravda, 11.01.2006
- Former KGB Agent Dies Associated Press, 24 November 2006
- Dead ex-spy claimed Russian agent monitored him CTV, Nov. 25 2006
- (Russian) "Address to Duma by Sergei Abeltsev". Duma. 25 November 2006. Retrieved 2007-11-20. Check date values in:
- Interview with Lugovoi BBC Hard Talk, 19 February 2008
- Zhirinovsky Engages in Street Theater, The St. Petersburg Times, January 25, 2008
- (Russian) Жириновский снова брызнул соком from Vesti.ru
- Zhirinovsky Gets Into Fistfight After Televised Election Debate The Moscow Times, November 24, 2003 (mirrored by yabloko.ru)
- Flamboyant Russian lawmaker in parliament chamber brawl News from Russia
- Zhirinovsky's A-Z. (Russian parliamentary elections favored Vladimir Zhirinovsky's fascist Liberal Democratic Party) The Economist, December, 1993
- The New Russia of Vladimir Zhirinovsky: Fascist Tendencies in the Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia NATO
- Abroad at Home; When You Appease Fascism The New York Times, December 17, 1993
- I dont think he hates Jews at all. For example: Zirinovsky said that attack on a synagogue in Moscow is blasphemic and parliament should discuss this event. He also called the executive branch to strictly react on any facts of anti-semitism and xenophobia. He also and accused CPRF and Rodina parties in that their patriotic propaganda pushes youth into extremist activity.--Dojarca (talk) 19:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
He certainly isn't Jewish at all. He neither practiced(s) or embraces Judaism and didn't recieve Jewish ethnicity through an unbroken Maternal line. His Father however was Jewish. (126.96.36.199 (talk) 02:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC))
Yes, interesting that some people consider such person still as a Jew... I think it's some kind of "One-drop rule". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- He is a person who made a lot of eccentric speeches and that is kind of eccentricity that is not easily translated just with a russian-english dictionary. But Zhirinovsky is definitely not a nationalist or antisemitic. That is even ridiculous to read a thing like that. --eugrus (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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I think at this point I am removing the tag. Nothing has changed with the guy in the last 5 years. All the criticisms and quotes are sourced. No one has found a more pro-Zhirinovsky reputable source. He happens to be an antisemitic, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, bigot. And that POV seems to be as neutral as it can get.184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)