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Glottis??[edit]

A vowel is a sound with ... no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis.

Wouldn't that imply thata glottal stop is a vowel? should the definition not be changed to be at any point above or including the glottis?. Grover cleveland (talk) 08:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the comment above. The definition of the glottis being "A vowel is a sound with... no buildup of air pressure at any point above the glottis" is implying that the glottal stop is in fact a vowel. The suggestion that was contemplating being about changing the phrase to "at any point above or including the glottis?" would be an improvement to this issue. Angieghirra (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Ɂinstead of that "the glottal stop is in fact a vowel," ɁI'd say that "every isolated/initial vowel has a glottal stop before it." Ɂin other words, glottal stop is the "default consonant." Ɂour glottises "generate" it naturally. Ɂit's a phonetic consonant which isn't written in IPA for English words. Wbxshiori (talk) 18:28, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
There is definitely an audible difference between initial glottal stop and initial zero, and in several languages that difference is phonemic. Double sharp (talk) 06:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Firstly (in reply to Wbxshiori) it is factually incorrect to say that every vowel begins with a glottal stop, as I think I have explained before. Secondly, I can see no logical way in which the statement that 'A vowel is a sound with ... no build-up of air pressure at any point above the glottis' implies that a glottal stop is a vowel. Perhaps the problem in this passage arises because in a normal voiced vowel there *is* raised air pressure *below* the glottis (in order to generate phonation). In a glottal stop there is no raised air pressure in the glottis itself, only in the air passage below it. It is theoretically possible for there to be raised pressure *in* the glottis (with no constriction higher up in the vocal tract), but such an articulation would not be a glottal stop since the vocal folds would need to be opened to allow air pressure to build up between them. This would be typical of whispered speech, where the narrowed glottis and fast air-flow generates the noise spectrum used as a substitute for phonation. RoachPeter (talk) 09:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Number of Swedish vowel sounds[edit]

It seems to me that the article gives the wrong number of vowel sounds in Swedish. There are, at least in the major dialects, 23 vowel sounds (12 long and 11 short), as exemplified by the following list of words.

long


mat fan rep fin rot sur syn låt lät där lön mör

short


att ett in fort ull lott knytt lätt ärt mörk möss

PK

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.85.33 (talk) 00:38, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The vowels in lät and där, lön and mör, lätt and ärt as well as in mörk and möss belong to the same phonemes. Mr KEBAB (talk) 13:22, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Prosody and intonation[edit]

I think this section fits badly into the article. There are good articles already in WP about prosody and intonation. The most relevant bits of this section are about vowel length, and these would be worth keeping but under a heading "Vowel length" or "Vowel quantity". Most of the rest is (as the article points out) about syllables, not specifically vowels, and I think it should be removed. RoachPeter (talk) 08:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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