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Article is a mess[edit]

This thing is a mess. It focuses too much on that lawsuit, and in other places, is very confusing, and chock full of unverified facts. I say make the lawsuit just a tiny blurb in the history section, and make the article less bloated. -Whomp 15:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I tried to get rid of the lawsuit and was told I was editing it too much. I was able to get rid of more less than kind things that were said about Dick Florea's wife who btw is dying from Alzhiemers right now. Having worked at the place I can tell you that the lawsuit was just a small blip on the map and no really cared about it, but I guess it was imporatant enough to someone. There were also many opinions given in the piece as well. Oh well, a long way to say I agree.--Josephblowhard 03:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

ClairSmut began this page inserting facts about his brief employment at WKJG. Really not sometning most care about. I agree about the KITCO thing, really not something that is station history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

ClairSmut has never worked for WKJG, nor for anyone else in the broadcast industry, for that matter. One basic rule of Wikipedia is "no original research"; nothing I put in there is my personal experience. The article was nothing but a stub, and I pulled together what I could find. Lawsuits are well-documented, and they exist because people disagree as to the facts in a matter that people care about, so it got included. Yes, it should be a minor part of the article, but you do that by adding meat, not by reducing the article to a stub by people who got fired. I'm sorry to learn that about Mrs. Florea, but in any case, there was nothing unkind said about her; rather, her quote pointed out that not everyone agreed with Gates' emphasis on sports, almost to the exclusion of everything else. ClairSmutt 13:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come on. The lawsuit should not have to take up the whole dang article. Not only should it not be OR, it should be shortened and verified. -Whomp 21:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact is that you cannot support quotes from people and you have backrounds that are incorrect. You had Ann Colone working at WKJG when she never set foot in the builiding. I would think that people who worked there and knew the facts about the station have a much better backround then you to add history. Right now it is just a mess. I think like the first posters that it should be rewritten and Mr. Samhot should have no input. WOWO Historian

Now that I have some more time off, expect a rewrite within the next couple of days. -Whomp 01:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that, I've been busy lately. It should come soon, however. -Whomp 20:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Indiana's News Center[edit]

I tried giving Indiana's NewsCenter it's own entry instead of being redirected to WISE-TV. I think it's incompetent that it was set up that way. WISE-TV is part of Indiana's News Center. Indiana's NewsCenter is not part of WISE-TV. It just looks awful. --Dilk85

Check the article naming policy. WISE-TV is Indiana's NewsCenter. It's justi WPTA's newsteam, plus Linda Jackson, not some regional news organization... jeez. --AlexDW 14:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Indiana's Newscenter is just a naming game used by the current ownership to hide the fact that there is no news orginization at WISE TV. Don't make it bigger then it is. As a matter of fact, the ENTIRE INC newsroom combined is smalled by about 10 bodies then it's only remaining competitor WANE TV. WOWO Historian

Split this to Indiana's NewsCenter[edit]

I agree. There should be an article for "Indiana's NewsCenter" instead of redirecting it to WISE-TV. There is also one for "Northland's NewsCenter" in Duluth. Set it up the same as that. Just remember it is WPTA, WISE, Fort Wayne's CW (WBFW), My TV Fort Wayne, and WeatherPlus. It is not to be confused with The Indiana State News Center and Discssuion. (Aeverine Frathleen Nieves 02:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC))

UPDATE: I have just created the Indiana's NewsCenter article. (Aeverine Frathleen Nieves 17:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC))


Does anyone care that the old WISE-TV studios may or may not have been condemned? --AlexDW 14:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I suspect it's either one or the other, isn't it? Sure, people care - but can you cite a reliable source that other editors can verify? It's not sufficient that you merely know something to be true; Wikipedia policy prohibits original research, and warns against the telephone game. ClairSamoht 15:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, it wasn't verifiable, and didn't seem particularly relevant, so I removed it. --AlexDW 15:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Just great coming from two folks who have now local connection! That building and tower is where Fort Wayne television began. It is a historic site for that reason alone. It also points to the current lack of broadcasting 'know how' by it's current owners. WOWO Historian

As I said before, Sure, people care. And people care about Wikipedia, too. If you want it on the page, follow the Wikipedia rules. If Wikipedia policy allowed unverified gossip to stand, you'd be very unhappy about what some people would post. ClairSamoht 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, personally, I don't "want" it on the page — I don't see how mold in a former (presumably abandoned) studio is relevant at all to an encyclopedic article about a television station. If someone adds it again (without referencing an acutal source), I'll remove it, again. --AlexDW 11:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Granite Default[edit]

An edit was made saying that Granite had defaulted on its June 1st 2006 payment. This is not true. Actually, they were able to make the payment through a "Senior credit facility". This was kind of a short term loan that made the June payment. But they have to pay it back short term as well. This is where the problem lies right now. They thought with the sale of the San Franscisco station they would pay the short term loan. In any case, as part of an agreement with their creditors they have gone into a restructing agreement which has be done by the end of August. It's complicated but if you go into their stock quotes and look at all the newswire and disclosures you can figure it out. preceding anonymous comment was actually made by Josephblowhard on 06:01, 23 August 2006

In the SEC filing, it says in Part II, Item 3,

Which part of "Default... had occurred" are you having trouble understanding? If you bother to go to Edgar and read the SEC filing (It's the 10-Q for June 30, 2006), you can figure it out. ClairSamoht 14:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Notable WKJG/WISE Alumni[edit]

Since WISE and WPTA have merged as "Indiana's News Center," how should we do "Notable WKJG/WISE Alumni"

Should we merge it all into one article or split it into as follows:

  • Prior to Granite Broadcasting's Acquisition
  • Post Granite Acquisition

There is also one at WPTA atricle (Aeverine Frathleen Nieves 17:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)) Ava Nieves of INNCD News--Marion, IN (Aeverine Frathleen Nieves 17:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC))

None of them are notable enough to have an actual entry. Perhaps removing the section would be appropriate. Gruber76 01:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material[edit]

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Hello. Could anyone be able to upload the logo(s) for this station? Thanks! Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 12:52, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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