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The cast and crew's penchant for drunken debauchery was later immortalized in the colloquialism "pulling a train," referring to a woman having sexual intercourse with a continuous string of male partners.

Er, is there a citation for this? (I sure hope's funny as hell!) RMc 21:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed a nasty slur on the characters of a great family TV show. There was never any citation for it and I think it was just something made up by a nasty person. ( 13:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

How and where can Wagon Train be watched?[edit]

The reason I looked up Wagon Train was because a couple of episodes of the program were on some old sampler DVD's. What would be helpful in the Wikipedia article would be some ways in which one might watch. Eg what network (s) carry the program, or are there DVD sets of the series? I am an old Star Trek fan, and indeed, as the article here mentions there are a lot of similarities between the original Star Trek and the couple of stories I have seen of the Wagon Train series. Veronaiadsa (talk) 02:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

¶ Presently (2010 & 2011), old Wagon Train episodes (but evidently only the b&w 60 minute episodes) are being shown weekdays on Encore cable network. Sussmanbern (talk) 00:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

In response to the above question about finding this series it is shown on some local stations carrying the retro Television Network (RTN) on a digital subchannel.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

It is on the CBS affiliate channel 5.3 weekends only in the Mobile Pennsacola area. I am looking for info on the episode featuring Farley Granger about a treaty with a "Lipon" (sp. ?) Indian Tribe. Granger was in the part of a US Calvary Lieutenant. Robert Horton starred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

An interesting fact is that John McIntire, who replaced Ward Bond in season 4 as "Mr. Chris Hale", also appeared (disguised by a heavy beard) as the guest star in season 2 as "Andrew Hale" -- a heroic character rescued in the desert who improves the lives of several of the travelers before revealing that he is also a wagon master, who mistakenly led his church-affiliated wagon train into an Indian ambush and then deserted them out of shame and guilt. When he returned as regular, also named Hale, there was no comment in the dramas connecting him in any way to the previous appearance. Sussmanbern (talk) 07:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

¶ Presently (2016) a small cable channel, H&I (Heroes & Icons), shows the one-hour episodes every morning and the much wider known cable channel Starz Encore-Western shows the 90 minute episodes every afternoon. Sussmanbern (talk) 07:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced material[edit]

The following is unsourced information:

  • John Ford directed an episode with John Wayne in the cast, but only Wayne's voice and shadow appeared.

I have now sourced this--gramorak (talk) 09:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC) ¶ The 'John Wayne' episode is the "Colter Craven Story' (Season 4 episode 9; broadcast Nov. 23, 1960), a flashback scene at the end, shows the aftermath of a battle with Seth Adams meeting his old friend "Sam", who turns out to be Gen. Grant, who is shortly joined by shadowy figures identified as other famous Union generals - supposedly John Wayne was on the horse as Gen. Sherman - but did not speak and is only a silhouette. Sussmanbern (talk) 07:27, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

  • The episode, "The Elizabeth McQueeny Story," broadcast October 28, 1959, starred Bette Davis as Elizabeth McQueeny, and served as a pilot for a series of McQueeny adventures in California.
  • Episodes of this series is credited among a list of television series for being included in past public film showings at the annual Mid atlantic nostalgia convention in Aberdeen, Maryland. Cast members such as Denny Miller have made guest appearances at the festival.
  • During a protest scene in The Simpsons, the character of Moe is seen holding up a sign stating: BRING BACK WAGON TRAIN.
  • In the film Stand By Me, one of the young characters remarks, "Wagon Train's a really cool show, but did you ever notice that they never get anywhere? They just keep on Wagon Train-ing."

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 04:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

¶ Apropos of nothing, I suspect that the pilot episode shown to network execs was the "Nils Stack Story", which was aired as season 1 episode 6 (Oct. 23, 1957). The use of stock film from old cowboy (and Civil War) movies was conspicuous, the Bill Hawkes character appears - but as a passenger not an employee, although Robert Horton is identified as "Flint" Ward Bond once addresses him as "Clint", as if he were unfamiliar with the character's name. Sussmanbern (talk) 00:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

¶ Evidently during the first several episodes, Bill Hawkes is a passenger, traveling with his wife, rather an employee; in The Major Adams Story it is made clear that Hawkes was Sergeant to the Major in the Union Army, and that Hawkes had a wife named Emily. For some of the first season episodes, Major Adams is getting around on crutches (but I do not recall this being explained) and later a cane. In the "Julie Gage Story", Adams calls attention to a wedding ring on his left hand but does not offer any information about his marriage; Hawkes is a passenger and we briefly see his wife; however, in The Major Adams Story, part 1, Adams explains that he is not married, it is his father's ring. Sussmanbern (talk) 22:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

¶ I honestly think that the "citation needed" comment appears too damn often in the article. In some places it is completely inappropriate because earlier in the sentence a source (usually an episode) was identified, in some places it is attached to a comment which is an observation of something fairly undeniable. Sussmanbern (talk) 07:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Title card[edit]

here’s where you can find the title card from the series,:

I don’t know about the legality of using it, which is why I have not inserted it into the main article --gramorak (talk) 10:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


This article says nothing about "Wagon Train's" format. Each episode was focused on a specific individual who was either in the wagon train or whom the train members encountered. Hence "The Story Of. . .," etc.

That should be made clear in the article -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zriter59 (talkcontribs) 05:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Original research[edit]

This article has an excess of original research as to when the events in the show "really happened," based on sleuthing by Wikipedia editors who do inferences from things mentioned in an episode. This creates the impression that the producers had some secret chronology which can be ferreted out by looking up things mentioned. It is more likely they ran any interesting story about wagon trains in the post-Civil War era up to the time wagon trains were replaced by railroads.The extended space and undue weight devoted to such chrono-sleuthing is not encyclopedic.. It would be better to stick to what books about TV, such as "50 years of the TV western" which say that it "took place in the 1870's." I recommend removing the original research.. Edison (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Have you had a look at The Queen pub article of the Eastenders programme that gives a run down on it's history as to be found in it's dialogue. (talk) 05:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Conestoga wagons[edit]

"The series used the cut-down, shortened wagons common to television series budgets, as opposed to the full-length oxen-drawn Conestoga wagons prominent in a forerunner of the show, the 1930 wagon train film The Big Trail, which features 27-year-old Ward Bond supporting 23-year-old John Wayne. Occasionally film clips from Hollywood movies, depicting a train of Conestogas, were edited into the episodes."

It would be useful, in the section mentioning Conestoga wagons, to note that wagon trains from Missouri to California generally did not include any Consestoga wagons at all [[1]]; Consestoga wagons were suitable for heavy cargo runs on well-established roads, between cities and large towns. The wagons used by the westward migrants were much smaller, typically 10-12 feet long rather than the Conestoga wagons at 20 feet and longer. By the time there were settlement and highways in west, able to support Conestoga traffic, the railroads had largely replaced the Conestogas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Continuing on format[edit]

Other popular and well known westerns of the time such as Rawhide and Gunsmoke have far less emphasis on religion, Christianity in particular. Two out of three episodes of Wagon Train seem more like a parable one might present at a church service. I am not criticising or condemning this but I am curious as to why if anyone can tell me. Euc (talk) 02:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)