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North or East?[edit]

I'm not happy with........

There has been much dispute as to whether Walthamstow should be classified as being located in East London or North London[citation needed], as although it carries the E17 postcode, it has many of the characteristics of being situated in the North. Judging by maps of London, it is actually further north than other boroughs that carry the N_ postcode - namely Hackney. . we all know that Hackney has an E8 postcode, and Homerton E9... it's only Stoke Newington and Stamford Hill that have the N16. It is quite clear that Walthamstow is "East London" so can we please delete this ?? --IsarSteve 23:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. could somebody explain what many of the characteristics of being situated in the North means.

Reworded it. It was certainly discussed amongst non-Walthamstow people whether it should be part of North London, but the River Lea boundary qualifies it as East London, it's part of Essex not Middlesex. ByteofKnowledge 19:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Walthamstow was originally in the abandoned NE sector of the London postal district, as was Hackney. I still don't think postcodes really decide if a place is East or North London. Also, having been part of Middlesex is not really a deciding factor of 'northness', Stepney and Bethnal Green were in Middlesex and certainly would only be considered north London in the sense of not south of the river. These locations are all relative to some other place really. MRSCTalk 09:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's any doubt from the people who were born here that this is east London Jannahred (talk) 00:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Walthamstow is in North East London and should be shown as such. The reference point isn't whether residents think they are in East London, nor what the post code it is it is where it sits on a compass.

If you were to describe its location to someone who didn't know London at all the best geographical description is to say NE London. This page needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E17phil (talkcontribs) 20:33, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

'E or NE?'

I favour East, I think it has a better case – but there’s no definitive or ‘correct’ answer. We can look at it in terms of area\place and also compass points.

The ‘East’ is an established place\area in the same way as North London and other areas. I don’t think it could be argued that Walthamstow is anything other than ‘East’ in that respect. You rarely hear the NE of London spoken of a place in its own right, it’s typically E or N etc.

In terms of compass points, yes certainly it’s in the NE, but you could also say (less specifically) that it’s the E or the N. Indeed E London (the place) could be described as the NE of London.

There’s no definitive answer but I would add the recently added link to sub-regions intended to support the NE point of view, actually does the reverse and supports the view that Walthamstow is in the E.

Walthamstow market section[edit]

In my opinion, the section added by an anon on Walthamstow market should be deleted, or at least radically amended. It reads like an incoherent entry from a tourist brochure and is full of trivia. I'd rather see the opinions of others before taking an axe to it myself. --Lancevortex 10:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

The market is important, but I agree that the section is full of trivia and more like a tourist guide. Please edit it down. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:16, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Redcountess and I are also working on extending the article with references, which is something it's not so hot on at present. We have a very nice local history book I need to scan a pile of ancient maps and so on from - David Gerard 18:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Just had a go at removing some of the bumph from the section on the market and shops. redcountess 18:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a whole story about the recent redevelopment of the town centre, but as a newcomer to Wikipedia I may not be the person to write it. Main features: 1. The Sainsburys development and the Mall lack architectural merit but are arguably what keeps the street market viable. 2. Walthamstow Town Square, designed by Building Design Partnership, see analysis document from CABE [1] 3. The original proposal for the corner development was intended to be a large modern library [2]. In March 2004 the site was cleared but in October the same year the council decided not to proceed with the new library and consequently, not to proceed with plans for a performing arts centre in the existing library building. [3]. After this surprise climbdown the site has been left flattened and the council remain undecided. [4] 4. The old library building was successfully refurbished and extended. ProfDEH (talk) 21:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The market is open 5 days a week, not 6, being closed sunday and monday. Jannahred (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok I waited for a response and as there was non, I edited the article myself, hope that's ok! --Jannahred (talk) 22:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


What is the policy behind the 'location', in particular the GPS coordinates. The numbers given are way down next to Leyton Orient football ground, hardly central for Waltham Forest, and not even in Walthamstow. The Town Hall be a better bet for marking the town's location, at approximately 51.591000,-0.013500 (sitting five time zones away using Google Maps). ByteofKnowledge 13:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No objections so I changed it to the above suggested location. ByteofKnowledge 20:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Also on the subject of location, perhaps a note about the meridian plaque on Wood Street would be a good addition if it is still there. I think it is approximately at 51.583500 n, 0 w. ByteofKnowledge 13:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

I see it less than 6 months ago, so I assume it is still there. (Unsigned, Spiderpop)

Sure I seen one on Forest Road past the Wood Street opening going towards Woodford, between 1 to 2 months ago, not sure about Wood Street Jannahred (talk) 00:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Notable residents[edit]

I had never heard of Lethal Bizzle so I looked him up. He is a rap artist and judging by 425,000 results on Google clearly well known. Just shows. I put the Telegraph reference in, but it's just an opinion piece, if anyone thinks that is inappropriate feel free to delete it or move it here. There is a response to David Cameron's comments about LB here ProfDEH (talk) 14:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe this section needs splitting into properly notable and also-rans. Who is David Tibet for example? Yes he is on Wikipedia, but try a Google search. It turns out "Tibet is the guiding force of paramusical Christian Apocalyptic group CURRENT NINETY THREE". Just not in the same league as the true notables on the list: Disraeli, William Morris, Vivian Stanshall. The article previously had a media section and I suggest that is needed for the footballers, bass players and soap actors? ProfDEH (talk) 07:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Notability is always a bugbear - but it should at least be someone 'most' people would have heard of; and say to themselves 'yes, a former prime minister - that is notable' ... The relative lack of notability in the linked article can be dealt with by {{PROD}}ing the article.
For some other boroughs, there's been a move towards a centralised list that can be better controlled for notability and the individuals link to the district actually being referenced to some independent source - see List of people from Southwark for what is probably the best example. Those lists are divided by arena of notability - so, politicians are separate from RAP artists! HTH Kbthompson (talk) 09:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's an unsorted - and unref'd list at List of people from Waltham Forest. Kbthompson (talk) 09:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

How long is the market?[edit]

Traditionally the market is a mile long, but that is not an accurate measurement. The Ordnance Survey map has a 1 km grid and the market street, measured against the grid, is about 1.1 km (0.68 miles). User:Northmetpit changed the figure from 1.2 km to 0.56km which does not see right. Does anyone have an accurate way of measuring? ProfDEH (talk) 19:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The market doesn't quite extend to the ends of the High Street. Measuring it using Google Earth I make it 0.9 - 0.95 km. I would suggest rounding it up to 1km. It's certainly no longer than that. Lancevortex (talk) 12:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe the market would extend to the ends, if there were enough stalls, this is surely something that will alter according to whether more people apply for or give up their stalls and therefore how can you only give one measurement? Jannahred (talk) 21:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

It's about 1km, surely that's accurate enough? Even if, at some unspecified time in the future, it stretches to the ends, it's still going to be about 1km give or take a few tens of metres. Lancevortex (talk) 14:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that we should not have those mini stalls in the market. Please comment? comment added by Zyree (talk

Walthamstow in film and television[edit]

The entries in this section strike me as being particularly un-noteworthy. Are they worth keeping? Lancevortex (talk) 14:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, useless trivia - contrary to Wiki guidelines. It's not as if Walthamstow was a particularly popular location for filming. ProfDEH (talk) 08:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I decided to be bold and have deleted the entire section. Lancevortex (talk) 10:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

HHhhmm did we get a choice??? I think it's usual to add these to the piece, and maybe partly so people can look out for those things. I have been reading this page as I used to live in this area,, I prefer the way it's done to our area, seems more well thought out and researched. Maybe it's been going longer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jannahred (talkcontribs) 00:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC) I forgot to sign the last comment Jannahred (talk) 00:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Date of incorporation[edit]

The article notes 1926 as being the date of incorporation as a municipal borough - the date is 1929 as referenced in the 8th edition of the Borough Official Guide, by George Bosworth, published by the Council in 1935. Mikeya (talk) 05:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Corrected. Youngs gives it as 1926 (used as a source for Vision of Britain), but it appears the charter was delayed until 1929 because of action by the council in the General Strike. MRSC (talk) 09:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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Does this article need a gallery?[edit]

The article is a bit of a mess, maybe I will try to edit the text a bit over the holiday and try to find some better images to replace the ones that look like they were taken on a Nokia brickphone circe 2000. It might be a good idea too, to remove the gallery altogether and just have images that relate to the text. I think that would be in line with guidelines. And while I'm at it, I made all the images a standard thumb size i.e. no pixel size specified, so they all line up nicely but the actual size is controlled by the user's preference. I'm not sure which is right but having some of each wasn't working. Views? ProfDEH (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)