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Native Americans growing watermelons in the 16th Century[edit]

If watermelons are indigenous to Africa and were introduced to the North American continent in the 1600's, how is the sentence "Watermelons were grown by Native Americans in the 16th century." true?

Comedian Missing[edit]

Sorry but i cannot remember the comedian's name but shouldnt the guy who always smashed watermellons with a mallet be added to the cultural refrences section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

NO —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iggyplatinum (talkcontribs) 01:10, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Watermelon as Vegetable or Fruit?[edit]

I am beginning this new section because someone from an anonymous IP added an edit to the article saying that the watermelon is a vegetable. I had previously considered that point the other day while reading a poorly researched article for a radio talk show and, after reading dictionary entries, academic websites, and the List of Fruits wikipedia page, I have temporarily reverted the edit till people with more scientific info review it. I believe that whoever began this page had a reason for listing it as a fruit. Cucurbits are listed some places as a bit of both fruit and vegetable. There are a couple of pages online that call watermelon a vegetable but they are very few. I hope that people who have done research can decide if there is something wrong with the article's original discussion of it being a fruit or not because if it isn't, then the List of Fruits needs adjusting too. Bebop 04:27, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Watermelon fits the basic definition of a fruit, it is the ripened ovary, together with its seeds, of a flowering plant. Some of the Cucurbits are simplistically thought of as vegetables even though they are also fruits, like pumpkin and squash, beacuse when they are used for food they are used more like a vegetable, ie cooked, than a fruit which would typically be eaten raw. Watermelon is not a vegetable. --nixie 04:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Great to get info from a biology specialist/admin. If you or anyone else has a strong print or web source to cite in the References section re: your comment, it would be really great. There is a print source from 1974 originally put in the article at the time most of the fruit detail was added by User:Marshman on September 17, 2004, that likely addresses this already, and it is still in the References section; maybe that's enough. I could ask Marshman's talk page.
In general, if people ever want to add any other web reference to document any aspect of the article not yet sourced in the References (like info in the Watermelon as Food and Drink section) but don't know the Wikipedia stylebook citation style, I can format the citation details for them into the References section; I'd just need the basic URL link added to the article with a description of the text documented in the Edit Summary box (or the link temporarily could be put right next to the fact being documented and I can move the citation to References later when I format the details). For print sources, we'd need as much detail as one has (probably first added to the article References with a description of which text is being documented (or the citation could be placed parenthetically next to the info referenced to be moved by me to References later). I'd assume that anyone adding a print source would have all the citation info on hand while typing it; I could reformat it or people could follow the style already used in the section (which is from the wiki styleguide) without needing any help. Anyone can always feel free to drop me a note to help with citation style. Bebop 13:35, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Nixie is exactly right and following the link to fruit will explain this fact to anyone. It is not necessary to cite a source for basic definitions in botany (or any other science). The link does that by going to a page that provides definitions and sources of information. The part of the watermelon plant that is usually eaten is the fruit of that plant. It is not a "vegetable" in the culinary sense, either, so I suspect the anon IP was vandalising - Marshman 17:55, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I doubt the person was vandalizing. There are several websites that mistakenly call it a vegetable, including one for an agriculture talk show, claiming to correct people who call it a fruit. And as for citing a source for info, I am not talking about dotting the article with lots of distracting footnotes. I am referring to adding sources to the general references listed at the end of the article to show where info came from. According to the style guide, we are supposed to show our sources for all information put in the encyclopedia so that people doing the fact check project later can see where it came from & verify it. Anyone could put an incorrect or false sentence in as a "fact" if allowed to list no source in the references section for their info. There is a book cited in the References for this watermelon article that may have a lot of general botany info about watermelons in it, so that's good, although many items have been added to the article since that source was listed that clearly are from other sources not listed yet. Definitions do need source referencing, and the styleguide speaks of rewriting definitions from other sources so that a definition is not copied word for word from another copyrighted source without quoting it. Whenever possible, sources should be listed in the References section for info added to any article because otherwise people could just make "facts" and definitions up (or go from memory and be mistaken) and put anything they want into any article, hoping people believe it. The first article I ever consulted Wikipedia for was on a health item, and I'm still not sure I should have relied on the information in the article because there were no sources cited for the info; it may have just been someone's opinion. Not listing sources is lazy; it's a problem with many articles in Wikipedia written by folks who never looked at the style guide. Anyway, I just want to encourage people to do it. Some have implied that the fact check project editors in future years could end up removing info that can't be verified in articles they check, but I don't know if that's true. Bebop 12:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey, if it's got seeds, it's technically a fruit. deeceevoice 23:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I recently opened a box of a generic instant oatmeal. Inside there is trivia written on each of the packets. One stated that watermelon is in fact a vegetable. No source was referenced. Someone must clear the air! Unsuspecting children are eating oatmeal and possibly being mislead. The oatmeal was tasty though, so it has that going for it. the preceding unsigned comment is by Tleevz1 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I too saw saw a watermelon referred to as a vegetable, on our local news channel. I belive it my be fence produce, that in something that could go either way, just as a tomato is. ben414

Watermelon Is a fruit.Be smart people.If it has visible seeds then it is a fruit just as tomato ,cucumber and avocado are all fruits. Smartwatermelonluva13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I love Watermelon!!!I eat it with both my eyes closed.It is a fruit as it is full of seeds.Just as tomatoes and cucumber are fruits — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

the day i get served stewed watermelon as a side dish with my dinner is the day i will consider that it may be a vegetable. Gzuckier 19:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to approach adding a comment, but I am also aware of this awry debate of the watermelon. I have noticed watermelons being called both vegetables and fruits commonly, and I believe we are simply being biased for the fruit favor simply because it is the current belief of the Wikipedia article. Keep an open mind and consider all possibilities, such as that some vegetables are classified as flowering plants, including the pumpkin, which is cousin to the watermelon. --Furby

I just went to (National watermelon promotional board), and according to them, it is BOTH a fruit and a vegetable. JAK2112 21:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

From what I heard, the watermelon is physically a fruit, but classified as a vegetable. This has to do from when the Government was allowed to tax vegetables and not fruits so called it a vegetable.

Its a friut because it contains seeds and vegatables dont, thats what I was tought at school.Nr9krw —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

it is a fruit because it's sweet and has seeds.


(Twilight578 (talk) 00:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)) ~edward cullen~

Just because it has seeds it does not mean it's a fruit. Strawberries have seeds and are not technically fruits. They are labeled as false fruits. The seeds must be on the inside to be considered fruits. And whether it is sweet or not has nothing to do with it. Avocados and olives are not sweet and they are fruits and many leafy vegetables have been described as sweet. The only instances in which I have seen a watermelon referred to as a vegetable is by misinformed government, and companies that have a large impact on how these things are looked at (ex. Grocery stores). I was told by a grocery store company when questioning on why I have to look for my squash under vegetables on the self check out lane that it was labeled that way so people could find it and it had nothing to do on whether or not it was actually a vegetable or fruit. I have although seen the term "vegetable fruit" appear a lot lately. When used together it states that it is a fruit although it has other qualities that we don't consider fruit"ish". I have not been able to find where this term has come from although I have heard it used by many people online and offline (no reliable resource). But "vegetable fruit" does seem like an acceptable term if anyone has further help on citing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandra loves (talkcontribs) 04:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

While I'll always call watermelons a fruit, there is a certain logic to the vegetable position. Fruits and vegetables do not form a clear cut dichotomy (to the commenter above me, some people do call avocados vegetables). Watermelon as a vegetable is not wrong/incorrect/misinformed. The National Watermelon Promotion Board should know what they're talking about. Presumably we all know about the confusion created by the differing botanical and culinary definitions of fruit. There's another definition as well; call it the agronomic definition of fruit. Fruits are grown as perennials and mostly come from woody plants (strawberries are an herbaceous exception, but still perennial). Fruits are usually propagated clonally, rather than from seed. Vegetables are almost all grown from seed sowed annually. The only common perennial vegetables are artichokes, asparagus and rhubarb (and rhubarb is arguably a fruit by the culinary definition). Watermelons are (like the related squash and pumpkins) grown from seed as annuals. Hence, watermelons are agronomic vegetables. The agronomic similarities of watermelons and other vegetables also explains why it was a "horticulturist at the USDA Vegetable Breeding Laboratory [who] set out to produce a disease-resistant and wilt-resistant watermelon", rather than a horticulturist from the USDA Fruit Breeding Laboratory. (talk) 22:09, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

False Berry (branch from fruit or vegetable)[edit]

Sez right up top, it's a false berry. Gzuckier 04:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

It says that the plant "bears an accessory fruit of a type that botanists call a false berry", but I can't tell what part of the plant it's referring to, and whether or not the part that we normally think of as the fruit (the melon) is the false berry, or if there's something else. If anyone can clarify, maybe include a picture of the false berry part, that would be great. Everything I can find on the subject just repeats that exact same sentence. FireWorks 19:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Watermelon would not be considered a false fruit. False fruits are things like strawberries. Strawberries are not considered a fruit because it does not contain seeds on the inside (main reason); but must be called something because they do bear the seeds. Thus, strawberries are not vegetables. Watermelon does not follow the rules of being a false fruit. Other than that I have no clue what it is speaking of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandra loves (talkcontribs) 04:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Finally an African fruit![edit]

A fruit that comes from Africa, not to brag but most fruits I hear about come from either the middle East, Asia or Americas. Pretty cool!


The info about seperating/political usage of watermelon is interesting. However, it does not look very clear, and needs split into regions. The article structure itself is good, but it needs neutrality. The official (geographic/scientific) name of the U.S.A. sounds "northern america". I do not approve to deletion of the added paragraph! Please shorten political sentence to as little as possible. This native fruit is actually from the southern most reaches of Korea, Posun. many believe it is from Africa but early Chinese records show of Korea's native plant the watermelon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Blacks eating watermelon[edit]

This article states that blacks eating watermelons is considered a derogatory caricature. I have seen this mentioned elsewhere, but do not understand it. Could someone explain what is so derogatory about eating watermelon? Even if black people did have a particular liking for it, why would it be any more offensive than showing Italians eating pasta, Asians eating rice or Jews eating bagels?

It more fits under "discrimination" itself, and has not much to do with watermelons. However it has happened as it looks. Such illustrations are acceptable into a page like watermelon/discrimination. (for education purpose, it needs explanatory terms "degoratory carricature"). Currently i am discussing the slash pages issue (how/if it can be done) at the "village pump" (proposals). Wikipedia is not doing censorship, but IMO it is not wrong to put annoying information into a sub-page. alex 08:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I've got no problems with this information appearing on this page. I'd say it does belong here. I'm asking about the missing information - what is supposed to be derogatory about suggesting that some particular subculture is inordinately fond of watermelon, whether or not that assertion is true? I've never heard any suggestion that a depiction of Asians eating rice is derogatory, for instance. By contrast suggesting that Koreans eat dogs clearly is derogatory, even if were true, because many western people keep canine vermin as loved pets. So what's "wrong" with eating watermelon?

Well we don't know until we have seen the images/illustrations in doubt. But i guess some of us prefer not to see it each time they browse for "standard" items like watermelons. In south-east asia they definetively eat rats and dogs, and in russia they do not always refrain from horse meat. Guess it is not the thing to big-picture it on the horse page, but it is possible to include it somewhere (where it belongs...) degoratory is it to draw a racial image in MAD MAG style, means to picture shabby clothing, silly grinning, vermin, you get get the idea. It has nothing to do with watermelons, except the fact the illustration contains image of watermelon. It is very exchangeable. It would mutilate the article, if it contains a gallery of ten such illustrations, and not much else. If it is only about north american past treatment of blacks, it becomes an illustration of that thing, using watermelons for political purposes. Wikipedia should display scientific info at a neutral point of view. IMO is is possible to include degoratory illustrations into a sub-page Degoratory_Watermelon_imagery_usage (they insist to capitalize watermelon). This page name should be fine. It is possible to put the info about socialism&watermelons there as well. alex 09:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with the information appearing on the page but I think it should be listed for what it is. It can be used to make fun of others. I am a southern American. People make jokes of blacks liking: Grits, Grape drinks, Fried chicken, Watermelon etc. I can see how it would be useful on this page as long as it is listed as a type of discrimination. I believe it to be useful only if explained. As the first person asked why it was included and what it meant, I do suppose other people may stumble across this page only looking for such an answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassandra loves (talkcontribs) 04:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

edit plan[edit]

Additionally, the word "watermelon" has been used since the late 20th century
as a term describing left-wing Green party members, referring to them as 
"green on the outside, red on the inside" (red being the color commonly associated with socialism.)
Watermelons are "green on the outside, red on the inside". 
This is subject of various analogies, about green party members
but anything which is not what it looks on the surface.
The television anthem of russia (2003) includes a watermelon scene,
for yet not known reasons, but probably self-parody of their socialist past.
During so-called slavery (North America, 19th century) Black people
have been subject of degorative cartoon (being extraordinary fond of eating watermelons).  
Nowadays (2006) various races picture watermelons: North Americans
(festivals in Texas), Japanese people (matsuri) and Russia (proofable).

offensive imagery[edit]

Given the discussion in the article about the negative association of African Americans and watermelons, why is the image for this page a picture of a black man passed out in the street next to pieces of watermelon? Also, does the phrase "typical usage" below this picture actually mean that this is how watermelons are typically used?

I'm sorry that I don't have the time to learn how wikipedia works so that I can replace this image, but it is quite offensive and I think it should be replaced.

Ugh, some idiot thought it'd be clever to replace the watermelon images. Reverted. Elefuntboy 19:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Some idiot did it again. :) Don't blame me, blame GSMalette 01:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Would you mind stopping? It's not funny, it's informative, and it's actually quite offensive. And for the record I will blame you. Gladly. Elefuntboy 17:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Very well, blame me if it makes you feel better. But for the record I think it was funny.GSMalette 01:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Square Watermelon[edit]

Wikipedia really needs to find a pic of a square watermelon for this page. -- 23:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'll believe it when I see it. --Jnelson09 02:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you believe it now? 09:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The following reference's link is dead (404)[edit]

Motes, J.E.; Damicone, John; Roberts, Warren; Duthie, Jim; Edelson, Jonathan. "Watermelon Production." Oklahoma Cooperative Extension Service. Retrieved Jul. 17, 2005.

Origins of Seedless Watermelon[edit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember hearing somewhere that a Korean scientist invented the seedless watermelon. Given how Korea was annexed by Japan in the early-mid 20th century and much of Korean achievements were credited to Japan (ex: 1936 Summer Olympics, both gold and bronze medalists in the marathon were Koreans running under Japanese names and the Japanese flag), this might be grounds for potential disagreement. Can anyone investigate this? Thanks.


Some nitwit has been repeatedly blanking out one section at a time. Does this happen a lot? Should the article be protected? --Kaz 14:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That guy has been blocked for now. --soum (0_o) 16:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Red Watermelons vs. Original White Ones[edit]

Ok, I thought I wrote this before but I cannot find it anymore here. So my question is if the original watermelon is white fleshed and tastes mostly like the rind of the red variety, how did the red and yellow varieties come about? 03:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)BeeCier

Watermelon as symbol[edit]

In some slavic countries, it is (used to be?) a custom to ask the female's parents for her hand in marriage. One of the ways to refuse this is to serve watermelon. I think the symbolism is that the melon is round and can roll so the guest is suggested to "roll out" ("get out of my house"). I'm not sure about any details, but I'm pretty sure something like that exists. If you know about it, feel free to describe it Fry-kun 21:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Moon and Stars merge[edit]

  • Merge Moon and Stars should be merged here. I don't think that entry can really be expanded, most of the relevant info could easily be placed on this page. WLU 13:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge, this article already has all the information the sub article has. And can still hold some more without going out of control. If that happens, we can fork out later. --soum talk 14:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge, As mentioned above, not much else could be added to that article anyway. Rawboard 19:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Merged. WLU 20:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

100 fruits per vine?[edit]

It says in the article that the wild progenitor that is still found in the Kalahari desert can have up to 100 fruits per vine! I'm pretty sure this is wrong. I've seen pictures of watermelon plants in the Kalahari desert and it doesn't have 100 fruits. It has one small fruit that is like the citron melon (no red flesh) in the middle of tons of very thorny vines. And just think about it, how would a DESERT plant produce 100 WATERY fruits? And why, when domesticated, would the plant lose that tendency? A watermelon plant doesn't even produce more than a few female FLOWERS, so where is this 100 fruits coming from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Wouldn't the purpose of a desert plant's fruit be to store water? I can't find anything on a quick google regards this, but there are some impressive numbers for yeild per acre. Also, the number of fruits produced would vary based on time of season, rain that season, type of plant. All that being said, I don't mind if it's taken out. WLU 15:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

yellow watermelon[edit]

I just bought this watermelon from a local store. They labeled it Meat Fruit I asked the manager and she said that Meat fruit was what their distributor called it and she didn't know anything else. That's why I included the Meat Fruit a.k.a. even though I cannot cite it. Naufana : talk 07:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Claim: Watermelons have the highest percentage water by weight[edit]


  • Tomatoes have 95.4% water by weight: [1] (view relevant sentence free: [2])
  • Percent water by weight for various foods: [3] (PDF), notice watermelon is not the highest fruit listed (The tomato tops it at a claimed 94% water by weight)

This claim has been removed from the article. -Frazzydee| 03:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

3rd King or 11th King ?[edit]

The source "Watermelon Magic, a Tale from Vietnam, webpage found 2007-11-26." in citation [2] have some questionable information. It stated that Prince Mai An Tiêm was an adapted son of 3rd Hùng King. However, in source "Trần Bạch Đằng, Nguyễn Khắc Thuần, Nguyễn Huy - Lịch sử Việt Nam bằng tranh. Volume 3. Trẻ Publisher, Hồ Chí Minh City 2004" stated that he was an adapted son of the 11th King. It is also stated that the story happened in the late of the Hùng King era, when the production was more and more improve and the gap between the rich and the poor was larger and larger. Slave-trading was appeared, and Mai An Tiêm was one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Solokhov (talkcontribs) 10:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

African American Culture[edit]

I have removed this heading under "categories." Aside from stereotypes, there is no special link between African Americans and watermelon. Kemet 22:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes there is. Stereotypes don't come from nowhere. See African American Foodways by Anne Bower [4]. Paul B (talk) 12:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Potentially you could find a source, but I dont see how that one would be sufficient. -- The Red Pen of Doom 16:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Sufficient for what exactly? It's not a cook book. It's a scholarly text published by University of Illinois Press, and it's about as up to date as possible, published in 2008. Paul B (talk) 23:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Having read through the section mentioned I concur that it should gain some mention in the main article. Perhaps including "Due to historic culinary habits" prior to the exiting "Stereotypical caractures may depict[...]" may be a valid addition. 11:35, 21 April 2010 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)


Densuke watermelons? zafiroblue05 | Talk 02:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

appears to be a reliable source AP feed on MSN - also the cultural information about giving melons as gifts might be included in the article as well. -- The Red Pen of Doom 02:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

As Densuke seeds are widely available, the statement that they are only grown on the Island of Hokkaido would no longer appear to be accurate. (talk) 03:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Taxbox - image and caption[edit]

Since the taxbox is generally about "watermelon" the whole plant, perhaps a different image would be more appropirate for the taxbox: the fruit on the vine, perhaps. But using the current image of only a part of the plant, I think adding a caption that identifies it as the "fruit" of the watermelon plant is appropriate. -- The Red Pen of Doom 15:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit request from, 8 June 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add a close parenthesis, ")", to the bullet in the cultural references section after "the Roughriders" so that there isn't an open parenthesis that isn't closed (talk) 01:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done I've also unprotected the article in the hope that the racist vandals have by now got the message. Rodhullandemu 01:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to say "Watermelon can be both the fruit and the plant"? I can't think of any fruits/vegetables that have a different common name than the plant they come from. It's pretty well understood that the same word means both the edible part and the whole plant depending on context (and if it's unclear, the whole plant is always specified with a modifier; "apple tree", "watermelon vine", "tomato plant")

I think it would be better to have the opening sentence changed to something like "Watermelons are large fruit produced by watermelon vines..." (talk) 22:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Scrambler and Vine[edit]

I couldn't find any information about what a "scrambler and vine" plant is other than it being briefly mentioned on this page. Any insight/links? I think this should be elaborated or taken out of the wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seadark (talkcontribs) 21:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Online seed catalog sources are unreliable and not verifiable[edit]

Online seed catalogs are not good sources. They are self-published, anonymous, commercial, without third party oversight (peer review). They change at least once a year and are no longer verifiable. If we must have web site sources we should use government or ag school extension sites with articles published by known authors. Jojalozzo 13:11, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Kaushalchandak, 13 September 2011[edit]

Remove reference - Seven wonders of watermelon

Uses of Watermelon seeds Watermelon seeds are packed with nutrients including fatty acids, essential proteins and lots of minerals. Around 100 gram of watermelon seeds provide around 600 calories. Around 400 calories come from fats in watermelon seeds. Fat content in 100 gram of watermelon seeds is around 80% of daily dietary requirement of fats. Around one third of watermelon seeds is proteins, mainly highly essential proteins like lysine.

Watermelon seeds are dmostly iscarded. In Asian and Middle Eastern countries, watermelon seeds are collected, dried and roasted for eating. Watermelon seeds are also used in making soups or other beneficial products like watermelon seed oil, watermelon seed tea and watermelon seed extract are made. We can just roast them and eat them as snack. These roasted watermelon seeds can also be used to garnish salads. Oil obtained from watermelon seed is used as moisturizer for skin. Watermelon seed oil finds its place in some of skin care products and cosmetics. Sometimes watermelon seed extract is used instead. Watermelon seed extract is considered as home remedy for stomach and urinary tract related disorders. Tea from ground watermelon seed is also consumed in some parts of globe. It is because of health benefits of watermelon seed tea, it is considered to improve health of kidney. Research is ongoing to confirm this health benefit of watermelon seed tea.

Reference: Watermelon seeds

Kaushalchandak (talk) 09:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Not done: This addition would be a copyright violation of the source you provided. Topher385 (talk) 11:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 March 2012[edit]

Change(usually pink, but sometimes orange, yellow, red and sometimes green if not ripe) to (usually pink, but sometimes orange, yellow, red and even green if not ripe)

Change (6300 USD) to (6,300 USD) StephenGulliver (talk) 18:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Done You are almost autoconfirmed. You should make four more edits and then you will be able to do this yourself. Celestra (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

watermelon origin[edit]

The origin of watermelon may be south africa or persia: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Citron melon, new article for Citrullus lanatus[edit]

Citron melon describes it as the ancestral form of watermelon, and it's classified as Citrullus lanatus. This breaks the one-to-one association of watermelon with C. lanatus. There are apparently other C. lanatus melons that aren't watermelon listed on the Citrullus page. I'd like to propose making a new article for the species, moving Citron melon to that article, and bringing in additional information from the current page more associated with the plant/species than with the watermelon fruit.Plantdrew (talk) 21:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request about "glass boxes" (which are in fact made of transparent plastic) to make cubic watermelons in Japan[edit]

The ref provided (from ) is inaccurate and is typical of vulgarized data for easy reading. Glass boxes would crack and shatter under the pressure, as the watermelons' sides are arched, thus not perfectly cubic and exert pressure on the sides of the transparent boxes. These boxes are made of plastic such as polycarbonate. Read this japanese translated article from Kyodo News International ( translation : originally from -in japanese- ), more reliable than the BBC account which summarizes roughly original japanese articles. The boxes are thus made of unspecified transparent plastic not glass. The whole web is full of unsourced blog articles , reflecting personal views based on whatever vulgarization they've read before (being unsourced they can say what they want) , speaking of glass or even tempered glass by extrapolation, when in fact all the companies whether they're japanese or american, sell special vented hinged transparent plastic boxes made of either PMMA ("plexiglas" aka poly methyl methacrylate) or polycarbonate (under the name "lexan" etc). For example, is one american company doing so.

Unnecessary external links[edit]

I removed the external links. This is not a topic that needs many (any?) ELs. Most of them appear to be how-to pages. Some of them could be used as sources perhaps. It is contrary to policy to use the EL section as a directory. I've copied them here:

Jojalozzo 03:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

watermelon consumption in bulgaria (to cultural references section)[edit]

in bulgaria (and probably some other se european nations) watermelon is eaten with white brinned cheese (quite simiral to greek feta). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehudi (talkcontribs) 08:29, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


The Chinese for watermelon is translatable to western melon, suggesting the Chinese were aware that it was not native to China, but originated west of China. Thus it was possible that it was brought to China via the Silk Road by Arab and Persian traders. (talk) 02:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Table of global watermelon production[edit]

The table indicates that the numbers are "million tonnes", however that is incorrect according to the source. The units in the table should only be "tonnes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opendestiny (talkcontribs) 04:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. Fixed. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Watermelon nutritional values problem[edit]

I have found it very difficult to find nutritional values regarding the rind and skin of watermelons. Nearly all nutritional values for watermelon only include the flesh. The rind and skin are an outstanding source of insoluble fiber. There is no possible way 100 grams of watermelon only contains .4 grams of fiber if you include the rind and skin. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 08:03, July 17, 2014‎

The rind is generally not eaten. As a result, it is not included in the nutritional information. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Watermelon/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Biblioworm (talk · contribs) 01:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Review clock In progress. --Biblioworm 01:25, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Here are my comments:

  • Is the article well-written? - Mostly. There are a few things that could use fixing, though.
    • At much the same date, Native Americans were cultivating the crop in the Mississippi valley and Florida and watermelons were later quickly accepted in Hawaii and other Pacific islands when they were introduced there by Captain James Cook and other explorers.
      • This sentence is a bit run-on and could use some separation. I would also recommend changing "At much the same date" to "Around the same time".
    • These are no longer grown to any great extent but their lineage has been further developed into hybrid varieties with higher yields, better flesh quality and attractive appearance.
      • Comma between "extent" and "but".
    • This has been achieved through the use of triploid varieties but these are sterile, and the cost of producing the seed, through crossing a tetraploid parent with a normal diploid parent, is high.
      • Comma between "varieties" and "but".
    • The plants need plenty of room and should be kept weed free, nipping out the growing tips when the stems are two metres (yards) long.
      • We are not a how-to guide.
    • Aphids, fruit flies and root-knot nematodes attack this crop and if humidity levels are high, the plants are prone to plant diseases such as powdery mildew and mosaic virus.
      • Comma between "crop" and "and", and another comma between "diseases" and "such".
    • Watermelons have a longer growing period than other melons and can often take 85 days or more from transplanting for the fruit to mature.
      • Comma between "melons" and "and". I would also change "from transplanting" to "from the time of transplanting".
    • A watermelon contains about 6% sugar and 91% water by weight.
      • Not sure if "by weight" is necessary. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    • The 'Carolina Cross' produced the current world record watermelon weighing 120 kilograms (260 lb). It has green skin, red flesh and commonly produces fruit between 29 and 68 kilograms (65 and 150 lb). It takes about 90 days from planting to harvest.
      • Comma between "watermelon" and "weighing".
    • The 'Golden Midget' has golden rind when ripe and pink flesh and takes only 70 days from planting to harvest.
      • I would reword this to say, "The 'Golden Midget' has a golden rind and pink flesh when ripe, and takes 70 days from planting to harvest".
    • The Melitopolski watermelons are seen piled high by vendors in Moscow in summer. This variety takes around 95 days from planting to harvest.
      • Add "the" between "in" and "summer".
    • C. l. lanatus var caffer grows wild in the Kalahari Desert where it is known as tsamma.
      • Comma between "Desert" and "where".
  • Is the article verifiable? - Yes.
  • Is the article broad? - Yes.
  • Is the article neutral? - Mostly, but this is one sentence that concerns me:
    • Many cultivars are no longer grown commercially because of their thick rind, but seeds may be available among home gardeners and specialty seed companies. Old cultivars with good flavour and other features, as well as the thick rind desirable for making watermelon pickles include 'Tom Watson', 'Georgia Rattlesnake', and 'Black Diamond'.
      • I think "good flavor" is a bit biased and original research, as not all people think watermelon is good. (For example, the person typing right now does not like watermelon.)
  • Is the article stable? - Yes.
  • Is the article illustrated? - Yes.
Thanks for taking on this review. I have dealt with the points you raise above, removed the "how to" sentence and the original research (which predates my involvement with the article). I read it through and made a few alterations. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Thanks for your improvements. The article looks much better, so I'll  Pass this. Face-smile.svg --Biblioworm 21:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Final decision: This article certainly has potential, so I'll put this On hold. I recommend that you fix the issues I mentioned above, and perhaps do some general copyediting if you notice any more run-on sentences. Regards, --Biblioworm 14:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Plural Form[edit]

I've noticed the word "watermelons" is used heavily in this article. I have never heard that word being used, and I don't think it is the correct plural form. It seems to be a no-brainier that a encyclopedia should use proper grammar and I think "watermelon" should be used instead, but I don't want to change it because I don't know if consensus is against me or not. Should we change it or Keep it? Weegeerunner (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I've seen a few sources that support the use of "watermelons". A rather non-RS, but interesting source, is here. Wikipedia itself defines the plural as "watermelons" here. And this dictionary says that watermelons is the proper form as well here. Jeremy112233 (Lettuce-jibber-jabber?) 21:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, just to clarify, it was by pure coincidence I happened upon this after responding to you on the other talk page. It appears we have some pages in common on our watchlist. Jeremy112233 (Lettuce-jibber-jabber?) 21:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Nutrition/Uses Cleanup[edit]

The point currently under uses about the conversion of cirtruline to argenine seems most appropriate in the nutrition section where the former is also mentioned. The second paragraph of the nutrition section is almost entirely about uses. I didn't go back and look through the edits to find its origin, but I really don't understand how anyone could interpret pickling practices, southern US or Chinese usages etc. as having any bearing on nutrition.

In other words, these sections could use some cleanup. Unless someone has an important objection, or its edited before I review it again next week, I plan to do some reorganization by putting more information in the proper context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I have rearranged the sections, changed "Nutrition" to "Food use" and changed "Uses" to "Other uses". Better? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:33, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

suggested edit[edit] is a better link for the pepo ref in para 1 of the article. linking the word pepo to an article about berries that doesn't mention pepos is not great. or maybe an expert can edit that berry article. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2015[edit]

This article contains misinformation and needs to be edited with referenced information. I would like to edit information regarding the origin of the watermelon, and add a section on its evolution and phylogeny on the flight of the following two papers:

Chomicki, G., & Renner, S. S. (2015). Watermelon origin solved with molecular phylogenetics including Linnaean material: another example of museomics. New Phytologist, 205(2), 526-532.

Renner, S. S., Chomicki, G., & Greuter, W. (2014). (2313) Proposal to conserve the name Momordica lanata (Citrullus lanatus)(watermelon, Cucurbitaceae), with a conserved type, against Citrullus battich. Taxon, 63(4), 941-942. Botany789 (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

No reason why you can't post a draft first here on Talk. Please write it for the lay user, WP:NOTJOURNAL, 7-8. --Zefr (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
@Botany789: (edit conflict) Please be more specific. Write what you want to the article page to say. You can put the material you want to add on this talk page, and I or somebody else will add it to the article (or you can work on it on your Sandbox page). You should be able to edit semi-protected pages yourself once your account is 4 days old and has 10 edits (working on the material here or in your Sandbox will work for the edit count).
If you're interested in working on watermelon related articles, please note that there is a separate page for Citrullus lanatus which you should be able to edit. "Watermelon" is ostensibly about "Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus" although the C. lanatus article talks about a Lanatus Cultivar Group and a Vulgaris Cultivar Group, with watermelons as Vulgaris. There's quite a mess here that could use somebody knowledgeable to sort it out. There's also a Citron melon article which claims that Citron melons are C. caffer (apparently a synonym of C. lanatus), while the C. lanatus article claims that citron melons are in the Citroides Cultivar Group.
Watermelon origins are relevant to Citrullus lanatus, so maybe you could add the material to that page and we could copy it back over here? Plantdrew (talk) 23:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2015[edit]

Party Tricks

How to skin a watermelon Watermelon party trick can be achieved by peeling the skin of a water melon and then carving out the inner part of watermelon and ultimately putting them together [1] Kabilan10 (talk) 02:42, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I don't see what encyclopedic value this adds to the article. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ Viral, Forlife. "How to skin a watermelon". viralforlife. 

The following topic is needed.....[edit]

List of watermelon cultivars — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Under Varieties in the article is this thorough reference. --Zefr (talk) 00:44, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Introduction change[edit]

I found the first paragraph and the description to be repetitive. It had a lot of the same information. I made a new paragraph that combined the two so the page is more organized. Allizone (talk) 05:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

The article is far from perfect. For example, its sequence is a mess. But your edit deals with it in the wrong way. The introduction is supposed to be a summary of the content of the article, and thus is expected to extract and repeat the salient points. It is not appropriate for it to contain the first mention of facts or to contain a mass of dense fine detail. Plantsurfer 05:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Plantsurfer: I reordered the history and varieties sections as an attempt for a more logical flow. The lede seems succinct and on topic to me. What else should be revised? --Zefr (talk) 15:46, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Zefr: The Uses section seems backwards to me. It launches straight into Nutrients without any preamble or explanation. Then Foods bizarrely starts with a discussion of skin, which must be about as niche a plant food as pine bark. That section is definitely due for a major copy edit. I'll have another look when I have a moment, but don't let me hold you back! Plantsurfer 17:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2017[edit]

Hello! I would like to request that a fact in the "History" section be added after the paragraph beginning with "European colonists..James Cook."

"European colonists and slaves from Africa introduced the watermelon to the New World. Spanish settlers were growing it in Florida in 1576, and it was being grown in Massachusetts by 1629, and by 1650 was being cultivated in Peru, Brazil and Panama, as well as in many British and Dutch colonies. Around the same time, Native Americans were cultivating the crop in the Mississippi valley and Florida. Watermelons were rapidly accepted in Hawaii and other Pacific islands when they were introduced there by explorers such as Captain James Cook.[2]”

Thomas Jefferson included watermelons among his Monticello plantings. As a melon grower he was pleased to note that even the best melons in Parisian markets could not come close to the quality of those grown in Virginia.


Katford7286 (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done This suggestion is more about Jefferson than about the history of watermelon cultivation. If every subject the notoriously polymathic Jefferson touched had a sentence about his connection, there would be few pre-1826 subjects that didn't mention him. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)



  1. ^ Ficklen, Ellen. Watermelon. Library of Congress, 1984, p. 8.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2017[edit]

Hello, In the sentence that states watermelon is a fruit, I would suggest an edit as it is still under discussion that it might be a vegetable as well. This is from a 2010 article from the Los Angeles Times. "Still under continuing discussion is whether watermelon is a vegetable or a fruit. It has seeds (the usual signifier of a fruit), so it's the fruit of the watermelon vine, says one faction. No, no, it's related to squash and pumpkin, so it's a vegetable, says another. Oh, just call it a "fregetable" and enjoy it, says a third contingent."


Katford7286 (talk) 18:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC) Katford7286 (talk) 18:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2017[edit]

The seeds have a nutty flavor and can be dried and roasted, or ground into flour.[3] In China, the seeds are eaten at Chinese New Year celebrations.[32] In Vietnamese culture, watermelon seeds are consumed during the Vietnamese New Year's holiday, Tết, as a snack.[33]

PLEASE ADD AFTER REF 33: Many Americans make a tea from dried watermelon seeds as a folk remedy to lessen kidney problems and lower high blood pressure. [2][3]


  1. ^ Ficklen, Ellen (2010). "A Four Course Fourth. Los Angeles Times.
  2. ^ Prevention, April 1983
  3. ^ Ficklen, Ellen (1984). Watermelon. Library of Congress. p. 36. ISBN-0-8444-0464-0

Katford7286 (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Katford7286 (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: This is not a common use and the implied folk remedy is nonsense, non-compliant with a high-quality medical source per WP:MEDRS. --Zefr (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Note: Marking as answered. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that Citrullus lanatus be merged into Watermelon. The name Citrullus lanatus var. lanatus is just an autonym (which is an automatically created name for the type specimen) of the species Citrullus lanatus. --Buuz (talk) 12:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Support. Plainly logical for var. lanatus. --Zefr (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment It's not quite so simple. The Citrullus lanatus article is muddled because it was constructed on the assumption that watermelons and citron melons were varieties of the same species, although the lead now reflects more recent research which shows that they are not, but are separate species. The problem is to know what the correct scientific name of the watermelon is, since this paper shows that the type specimen isn't what has been known as C. lanatus. There was a proposal to conserve the name C. lanatus, but I haven't yet discovered whether it succeeded. So there definitely shouldn't be two articles, but exactly what information should be in the merged article isn't clear. The taxobox at Watermelon is wrong to use the name C. lanatus var. lanatus. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)