Talk:Wayland the Smith
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"Caliburn, in Mary Stewart's Arthurian Legend, is the sword of Macsen, Merlin, and Arther." Well, yes: but does Mary Stewart ever say that Caliburn was forged by Wayland? Does anyone? If so, please provide a citation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
From a redirect
- "He was the son of a sailor and a mermaid and is King of the Elves. He has two brothers. One is named Egil, also a smith.
Moved here because I can't verify most of it—specifically, the part about his family and his French name (Google is no help, and there are no links to fr:Gallans). —No-One Jones 21:59, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
The_Master_and_Margarita has a character with a noticeably similiar name. Any connection?
the character Waylon Smithers, from the animated TV show "The Simpsons", may be named in reference to Weyland Smithy or the "Fables" character of a similar name.
So far as I can see, the current title, "Wayland Smith" isn't attested by either reference, and isn't the most common name, in general. Wouldn't either Wayland the Smith or simply Wayland be more logical? Alai 03:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- I did some googling before I requested it be moved. Wayland Smith appears to be a well-attested name, and IMHO it is both common and unambiguous. However, I'd personally prefer just Wayland.--Berig 16:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- But neither reference, so there's a total disjunct between the title, and the contents of the article. Your google search includes hits like this on the first page, and other such variations. I certainly don't think it's the most common term, raw google results aside. I'd have no objection to Wayland or Weyland (one redirects here, one is a disambig, just to confuse matters). Alai 05:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Cognate with Vulcan?
A quick google adds some credence to my impression that Vulcan and Weyland are cognate and culturally equivalent. Is this a common belief, or just what the eccentrics are saying? If I knew better I'd edit a section in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steewi (talk • contribs) 03:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Being held captive and flying away on a bird has a whiff of Daedalus about it nej? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Weland/Völundr/Vulcan are certainly plausible cognates, especially the first part of the name. If the Germanic name was originally something like *Wôlhund it would be even more transparent. Regarding Daedalus, it does seem that he rather than Hephaistos is the closest Greek equivalent. As Hephaistos came from Lemnos (which spoke a language like Etruscan) he surely isn't an Indo-European god, Daedalus may have been the original native Greek smith-god. Walshie79 (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Having investigated it further, I'd also like to offer the possibility that Welund is derived from the Indo-European *Welunos/Werunos (see The king and the god). I had originally thought this unlikely because of the difference between Varuna, Ouranos (sky gods) and Welund the smith god, but then I found out that Ilmarinen (who is very similar to Welund) is cognate with a sky god in another Uralic language. So there could have been a development in northern Europe that turned the sky gods into smiths: whether it began in Finnish/Saami or Germanic is debatable. The Norse tale of Volundr being a Finn however would fit nicely with him (originally Welunos) having absorbed elements of Ilmarinen. Walshie79 (talk) 22:29, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
"Wayland's assistant is Flibbertigibbet"
I've never heard that before and there's no citation. In the Flibbertigibbet article, the same assertion appears, citing... this article! Should Wikipedia really be citing itself for something it's got no external reference for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. I'll add the fact template to both articles and it should be removed if no source can be found. A supernatural meaning certainly existed around 1600 (e.g. in A Declaration of Egregious Popish Impostures 1603, & King Lear), but that's quite a distance from Anglo-Saxon mythology. Indeed Wiktionary call this a Middle English word, first attested in 1450. I get the impression there are no detailed English sources on Wayland either, so it would be surprising if they listed a sidekick. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 16:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree with the references to Weyland's rape of Bodvild. The texts seem to suggest that she was seduced, not raped. There are references to them as "lovers" and their "lust" which do not imply rape to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
This happens a lot in myth studies, people seem almost eager to make things more dark and questionable. Nut it does not help that there are multiple versions and that some mythologies like greek were pretty rape filled. That all said I thought they got together willingly as well.
- Also, be aware that, certainly under Roman law raptio - kidnapping or abduction (from which we derive "rape" - hence "the rape of the lock" or references to the Argonauts "raping" the golden fleece ... Mythic Greeks weren't that weird) was often assumed to include sexual assault (see history of rape) but didn't have to. Historically an elopement might well have been considered raptio as might ritual "bride kidnapping" by someone unfamiliar with the concept. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:34, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
In Modern Fiction
The reference to cartoon character Waylon Smithers is pure speculation. This character has a wiki page, where it is referenced that the name Waylon came from the puppeteer Wayland Flowers. There is no evidence offered for any link between Wayland the Smith and the cartoon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayo231 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC)