Talk:We're the Millers

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December 2013[edit]

How the hell would you know that they'll win at the people's choice awards next year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


I think the film fits well into the generic "comedy". It seems to be referred to in general as a comedy. Chunk5Darth cites the BBC referring to it as a "romantic comedy". I could just as easily cite metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes or even the Washington Post, all of which refer to it as simply a "comedy". Chunk5Darth also cited the film's own web page defining itself as an "action comedy". While such a primary source may have it's own ideas of what genre their film is, secondary sources here should carry more weight. My personal view is that while there are elements of romance and action in the film, they don't rise to level of actually placing he film in either of those two genres. Actually my own view is that it's probably more of a "road trip" movie than anything else. But my views are rather irrelevent. The sources generally call it a "comedy" and per WP:VERIFY I think we should too. – JBarta (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

"Road trip comedy".... seems the BBC thinks so too... – JBarta (talk) 03:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Since all the sources at least call it a 'comedy', that broad term is probably the best bet in terms of what to call it in the lead. DarkToonLink 03:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
The purpose of the lede is to summarize as much as possible. If the genre can be broadened to anything beyond the generic "comedy", while being attributed to reliable sources (one of which is the production company's own definition), it would serve Wikipedia better. Chunk5Darth (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
  • As for "all the sources call it a comedy"... really? All the sources call it a film. Should we just call it a film as well? WP:COMMON equally applies. Chunk5Darth (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Is it a romantic comedy if only a handful of sources call it so? Is it an action comedy if virtually no one but the films marketers call it so? Is it a romantic action comedy because a Wikipedia editor cobbled together two thin sources and made up his own genre? Is it a road trip comedy because another Wikipedia editor likes that and found a source to back it up? Or... is it just a plain old comedy because that's what the preponderance of sources generally say?? While we'd like to think we're journalists over here whipping up articles, we're only editors... carefully documenting what others think. And if it helps, for an obvious "romantic comedy", such as When Harry Met Sally..., both metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes include the word "romance" when listing its genre... so the sources certainly do know a romantic comedy when it falls on them. I think a suitable approach/compromise might be to quote a well known critic/reviewer by name calling it a "romantic comedy" or "action comedy" or "whatever comedy" and noting it in the Critical response section. That would get in a minority view, without upsetting the neutrality and verifiablity of the lead. – JBarta (talk) 19:30, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
There is no WP:SYNTH violation here, only decent wording for two comedy sub-genres. Instead of the clumsy romantic comedy/action comedy, I wrote romantic action comedy, and backed it up by reliable sources. In case you have not noticed so far, this is how Wikipedia works - you have a statement, you back it up with a reliable source, and into the article it goes. Not sure why you're forcibly turning this non-issue into a world crisis. Chunk5Darth (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
You should really re-read WP:SYNTH. The "romantic action" comedy edit was a textbook example. WP:SYNTH states "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." And that's EXACTLY what you did by combining "romantic" from one source and "action" from another, thus coming up with the unique genre of "romantic action". And your view on "how Wikipedia works" is a little simplistic and doesn't address the points I made above. – JBarta (talk) 23:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. Given that all sources agree that it is a comedy movie, with various personal interpretations about subgenre, it is best to call it a 'comedy' in the lead. The lead isn't meant to be overly bloated with information anyway. Details about possible subgenres can be discussed in reception quotes and marketing sections anyway, and the plot section covers such information to lead to these genre conclusions anyway. DarkToonLink 00:18, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Casey Mathis age?[edit]

Article says she's 21. How do we know this? – JBarta (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I was going to wait on this, but I did some further looking and found absolutely nothing reliable in support of her being 21. I'm going to remove those bits from the article. If someone figures out where that came from we can always add it back in. – JBarta (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Interestingly, Casey seems to get older as the article progresses. She started out as a plain ordinary "kid", then became a runaway "tween", then a teen and teenage, then more precisely a 15-year old, finally ending up as a 21-year old. It's a good thing I intervened because by the end of the year she might be pushing 30. – JBarta (talk) 14:26, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, I solved the age thing. It can be done by working off the birth dates shown on their drivers licenses when they go through the airport. Here is a picture of their licenses.
We'll start with four facts...
  1. Casey's birth date is 04-18-1992
  2. Kenny's birth date is 01-28-1995
  3. Kenny is 18 years old
  4. The film takes place on or near the 4th of July
Kenny's birthdate plus 18 years is 01-28-2013.
That means the movie takes place on or near 07-04-2013
07-04-2013 minus 04-18-1992 (Casey's birth date) equals 21 years, 2 months, 16 days.
So Casey is 21.
I won't add that back into the article because it's not mentioned specifically in the film, isn't really important in the film, and it borders on original research.
Another interesting tidbit is that while Casey is Casey "Mathis" in the film credits, her drivers license says Casey "Matthis".
– JBarta (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

When The Script was written?[edit]

Is there anybody in there who knows the exact date? For me, it's almost impossible to think that this plot (or similar one) was never used in movies of 80s-90s. Idea as simple as it's just hanging in the air waiting for someone to catch...really strange.