Talk:Werner Erhard

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Lee Iacocca fluff[edit]

The article states that some time in 1960 Erhard started selling cars (in St. Louis), and that he worked for Lee Iacocca. The page on Iacocca says Iacocca was named vice-president and general manager of the Ford in 1960. The term "working for" might be technically true in the sense that a guy at the bottom "works for" the guy at the top. But in any professional sense the term means "reports directly to" and in this case seems more like misinformation. Arbalest Mike (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Name of the training program[edit]

The program Erhard was originally known for creating was “The est Training”. It was never known as Erhard Seminars Training (that was the name of the company that offered “The est Training”)--MLKLewis (talk) 01:17, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Libelous statement of "stolen car."[edit]

The attempt to report that Erhard committed a crime (stole an automobile) - a crime that he never committed - was already attempted on 10 October 2015 and was reverted the next day, successfully removing the libel.

However, the latest attempt to reinsert the line in the Early Life section, "They drove west in a stolen automobile and settled in St. Louis, where Erhard took a job as a car salesman" repeats that libel and does not accurately summarize what is said in Bartley’s biography. It makes it sound as if Erhard went out and stole a car off the street. However, what actually happened was that the owner gave the car to Erhard. He asked Erhard to see if Erhard could sell it. There was never any report to the police or even accusation by anyone of a stolen car. It is apparent from the full quote in Bartley that it was only Erhard, who (in making a point with his biographer about “responsibility”) characterized his having the car as “stolen”. Erhard said, “… as far as I (italics) was concerned the car was stolen." So he set out to earn enough money to pay for the car. Bartley writes that after getting a job in Spokane, Werner now had enough money to pay the owner for the car, contacted the owner "and the matter was settled amicably, with more being paid for the automobile than it was worth."

The woefully out of context phrase that the Erhard’s "drove west in a stolen automobile" leaves the reader with a seriously inaccurate view of what actually happened, so I am removing the line. If it is added back in, it needs to be worded in a way that gives the full picture stated above about what actually happened. RecoveringAddict (talk) 21:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Fine, but Pressman tells a somewhat different version of the story. It is at the least a point of controversey. However, I believe that if you edited the section with the information that you provide above and without using the word "stolen" and with appropriate page sourcing to Bartley then the editors who want it in will be satisfied and there will be no libel. Sensei48 (talk) 22:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Correcting facts about Erhard's work, selling cars.[edit]

In fact in the early mid-1950s Erhard was a direct report to Lee Iacocca. According to his biography, he began selling cars in Norristown Pennsylvania in 1955. Quoting directly from Bartley, “First he sold Fords at a dealership under the general management of Lee Iacocca, who later became president of the Ford Motor Company.  Later he worked for a Mercury dealership; still later, he sold Chevrolets.”  What is stated in the article about this is inaccurate and I will correct it. RecoveringAddict (talk) 23:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)