Talk:While My Guitar Gently Weeps

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Toto?[edit]

Why is Toto at the bottom of the page? xD --98.217.61.141 (talk) 04:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Article needs editing[edit]

This article could use some editing. The first paragraph on the writing and recording is fair, but the rest of it is rather poor. The "speculations" section is just that; speculative. The "alternative versions" section repeats a lot of the info from the "writing" section. Maybe this comes from the use of the Beatles template, but the result is fragmented. Oh, and as someone else mentioned here, the chord changes have been used in other songs; quite a few songs share the beginning sequence of Am - Am/G - Am/F# (F#m6) and Am/F (Fmaj7).80.202.215.74 (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Paul & Ringo[edit]

I have just removed the following from the article re the 2002 Concert for George "It was the first time that Starr and McCartney had performed together since recording "All Those Years Ago" in 1981."

Does this refer to live performance? If it refers to recording sessions then it is incorrect, as Paul & Ringo recorded in 1994 for "Free as a Bird", 1995 for "Real Love" and tracks from McCartney's album Flaming Pie issued in 1997. Design 01:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Missing info[edit]

Uh, it doesn't seem to state who sings lead on the studio recorded version - is it Harrison? Stevage 08:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Jake shimabukuro plays this on the ukulele and that has become a very popular video, when searching for the song, that video comes up higher on google's page rank than the actual song

She's Electric X While my guitar gently weeps[edit]

this song (00:51) has the same chords as the oasis' song from theur album (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, she's electric at 00:53. please note it is the same chord scheme. should it be added to the main article? (HelenoBR 00:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

The Concert for Bangladesh[edit]

It's asserted in The Concert for Bangladesh article that the concert was the first time it was publicly revealed that Clapton played the solo to this song. Is that a correct assertion and what would be a good reference for that if it is?-Wisekwai 19:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that that is not the case. Lewisohn's The Complete Beatles Recordings would be the definitive proof, I would think. Styxman 06:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Clapton was a sessions man officially. He would have been paid the union rate for his attendance. This will be in EMI archives. His contribution was dictated by George Harrison. Clapton's artistic contribution was minimal to zero. 94.3.15.159 (talk) 17:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Dubious Reference to Casey Vail[edit]

This anonymous edit adds a reference to "Casey Vail": 121802617

I can't find any mention of a guitarist w/ that name on google. Sounds bogus to me - Tyler Oderkirk 01:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Love ending[edit]

At the end of this song on the Love album, John Lennon can be heard saying quite cleary "[something] the mike of the channel is quite low this just keeps [something] with my maracas, you know... You know those old channels"

I don't know how, or if you want to incorporate this into the article, but there you go.


That's actually from the version of "A Day in the Life", which is the next track on the album. It's not from "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"Scmods (talk) 08:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:The White Album.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot 03:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Princes Infamous Guitar Solo?[edit]

What's infamous about it? It's a great solo. Scmods (talk) 08:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree. I was surprised to see the word 'infamous' in there, with its negative connotation. Is there news I'm missing? Enivel (talk) 13:11, 23 November 2007

Petty/Prince solo?[edit]

The external link seems to be to a Microsoft Media protocol, not directly playable outside the Microsoft hegemony and no longer supported by Microsoft. Unless I'm missing something (always possible), this is the external link:

http://www.warnerreprise.com/asx/tompetty_ghigentlyweeps_300-v.asx

with XML that points to the MMS server which doesn't seem to be influenced by rtsp protocol:

mms://wm.wbr.com/tompetty/gharrison_induction/tompetty_ghi_gently-weeps_300.wmv

Without something playable by the general public, shouldn't this at least be removed from the opening of the article, if not the article itself? If I'm correct, we might as well plant a 'best viewed with Microsoft Explorer' banner. I suggest demoting it into the External Links section.

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 07:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

The[edit]

See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Use_of_.22The.22_mid-sentence. The "the" in "The Beatles" when speaking of the band is not capitalized mid-sentence. Same goes for the Who, the Yardbirds, the Cure, etc. Look into it (not in this haphazardly edited nightmare of an online encyclopedia, but in reputably edited printed matter), and you'll see that that's right. It's just typographical convention and is not a debatable thing, really. The "the" in The Beatles, the album name, however, is, because without it you're not reporting the true name of the album. I hope that answrs the ????? you had. --Milkbreath (talk) 11:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

This has been debated ad nauseum by members of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles and current consensus is to capitalize "The". Please don't change any articles without seeking consensus first. — John Cardinal (talk) 13:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Please don't presume to instruct me about seeking consensus. It is not necessary to seek consensus for what is a long-established typographical convention that has no effect on content and over which one would not expect rock fans to be equipped to quibble. If some group of groupies think that the "the" gets capitalized, that's their problem, and I doubt I'll be the last fool to blunder in here copyediting in defiance of some cabal's arbitrary, idiosyncratic punctuation regime. I think it's unreasonable of you, John Cardinal, to expect anyone to look beyond the MoS for such a fiddly tweak as this one, and I'll continue to correct the capitalization of "the" in such cases wherever I find it. --Milkbreath (talk) 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Have you heard of WP:AGF? Nevermind. Go ahead and keep changing it; a bunch of other editors will change it back, that will lead to more useless discussion and rancor, and people who hyperventilate over "the Beatles" or "The Beatles" will lose a lot of sleep. Sounds like a worthy goal to me: have at it!John Cardinal (talk) 17:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

please cite a source or delete this from the article[edit]

and later in an electric version featuring a backward guitar solo (as Harrison had done in "I'm Only Sleeping" on Revolver), but no version seemed to work

i never ever heard of this version with a backwards guitar solo, there isn't even a version the song with george on lead electric guitar in existence, at least not in the 140 GB of beatles music i have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.246.112 (talk) 19:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Lewisohn, Mark (1988). The Beatles Recording Sessions. p. 153. John Cardinal (talk) 21:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Double-tracked bass or double bass[edit]

I'm noticed (and was told too) there could be two basses - one is slighty higher. Or it could be one double bass. Saemikneu (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

According to Lewisohn, McCartney played two bass parts. Radiopathy •talk• 18:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Covers[edit]

The covers section is growing out of control. We need some inclusion criteria or better yet think about just getting rid of it entirely. Ridernyc (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should get rid of it, but I agree that it seems to be a little overly large. Some of the listings don't seem to be notable at all. I'll see what I can do to trim it. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 21:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I have been bold and removed the list until there can be some sort of inclusion criteria. Released as single, chart position, reviews. Something, anything, there needs to a be a criteria. Ridernyc (talk) 16:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Many agree that if it's not established, by a WP:RS, as notable (e.g. charting, award-winning), then it shouldn't be included. You could start a discussion at WT:SONGS and have it added to the guideline if you're feeling keen. Uniplex (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Nah not really interested in starting a huge policy debate here. Just know that the list can not remain in the article in it's current state. Ridernyc (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

There is a nice cover by Carlos Santana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.178.247 (talk) 13:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Musical Notation[edit]

... the continued minor triads (III, VI and II) should be notated as "... the continued minor triads (iii, vi and ii)" in order to conform to proper designation of minor chords. Here's a source: http://musictheoryblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/roman-numeral-chord-notation.html wbchaney (talk) Wbchaney (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Reference Question: Songfacts[edit]

I need to call into question using the website Songfacts.com as a reference. The website is primarily fan-based. The website FAQ states that they list their data sources as interviews with singers which may or may not be published, books, magazine articles, and other print sources. However, none of these print sources are actually listed and there are no interviews on the website with Beatles members. There is an interview with Yoko Ono, but she does not discuss anything relevant to this song. Wjlmiv65 (talk) 21:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

My change concerning ADT and "varispeed"[edit]

It's quite wrong to say ADT is "also known as" varispeed: They're separate things, but the combination of the two is what makes the characteristic sound being discussed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.245.59 (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Toto[edit]

Toto covered this song.

BSc600 (talk) 03:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

See WP:COVERSONG. Can you supply a citation by a reliable source on the subject of the song where the cover is discussed? I took a quick look and didn't find anything. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

How can you not see this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking_Glass_(Toto_album) or this http://totoofficial.com/releases/through-the-looking-glass/ ACSilver (talk) 06:10, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
We can not use Wikipedia as a citation. See WP:CIRCULAR. We can not use Toto's website. See WP:SELFPUB. Find a review of the album that mentions this song specifically. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 10:08, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
You are a stick-in-the-mud. This is not helping building an Encyclopedia and dumb.ACSilver (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
@ACSilver: Stop making personal attacks. And if you don't want to follow policies, feel free to find somewhere besides Wikipedia to spend your time. Sundayclose (talk) 01:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Richard sobs quietly at the cruel comments of ACSilver. I really try so hard to not be a stick-in-mud. See Crocodile tears. After I made the post above, I looked a little harder and found a review that could justify putting Toto's cover in the article here. I put it in and it is still in there. So, I am not a stick-in-the-mud! You take that back! Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I think we can use Robert Fontenot's about.com article on the song to support a mention of Toto. Unlike some about.com contributors, Fontenot has been identified as a reliable source for our purposes (here) – in other words, I still disagree with this change from last December!. Okay, each cover recording has to be notable, but in instances where the actual cover may not merit inclusion (and I'd say Toto's appears to be one), it's quite acceptable to list a few notable artists who have recorded or performed a song, without giving details about their version. If a music journalist writes an article dedicated to the song and bundles up a list of select covers, as Fontenot does in his series, then that should be good enough. In the case of "Gently Weeps" (and the lead section of our article touches on this), the song has been recognised as a guitarist's "guitar song". So it's in keeping with its legacy to ensure we at least convey the range of artists/guitarists who have covered the track. (Which is why I favoured a passing mention of musicians as diverse in style as Marc Ribot, Eric Schoenberg, Charlie Byrd, etc.) If the article content was fully developed to reflect all that's notable about "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", I think this point would be more obvious. As would, say, how the track came to be seen as Harrison and Clapton's signature song together (by each of them, and by commentators) and how it gained a new lease of life through the Anthology 3/Love demo. JG66 (talk) 03:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Ah! I did not know there was such a table for RS music critics. Thanks for linking that. I was regretful that I could not find a suitable citation to support adding these covers. I listen to several of them on Youtube and thought them terribly good. However, to play the devils's advocate here, I would ask, should we also mention The Muppets' cover as well since it is mentioned in Fontenot's article? My point being Fontenot simple lists a bunch of people who covered the song without any indication of notability. I do not want to be a stick-in-the-mud, but I feel there are already a lot of artists mentioned. Do we really need more? Toto's cover is in there which is what the OP wanted. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it's fantastic that someone here did all that work researching the bios of the various about.com contributors.
As for adding the Muppets … well, I guess so if you want! My thinking is, if a couple of commentators made the point that the song was/is ripe for parody, and had been satirised by say, the Rutles or Saturday Night Live, then why not use the briefest of mentions such as in Fontenot to add that the Muppets also performed it (if it's not discussed in any detail by other sources). As far as I know, though, that's not a point that commentators make, but the track is viewed as one of the "greatest guitar songs" and Clapton's playing is recognised in "greatest guitar solo" polls. So, in that context, the addition of guitarists such as Ribot might make sense. You're right that it's a case of picking names as desired from a long list; I guess I'd counter that by saying we pick and choose what merits inclusion in an article all the time, from 100s or 1000s of pages' worth of text that the (many) sources have devoted to each and every Beatles song. But really, I'm not too fussed. This is an article I'd like to expand soon and get to GA, so everything's a bit hypothetical until that issue touched on in the Lead (7th "greatest guitar song" etc) is developed in the main body of the article. JG66 (talk) 03:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

The word `Clapton` is in the article 19 times[edit]

Reading this article you would think Eric Clapton did this song, not the 4 Beatles. He was brought in by Harrison as a sessions musician on the final recording, mainly to get Lennon and McCartney to take the song serious after many rejections by the band - 28. Clapton was told what to do. His guitar was double tracked with an organ in the mixing. The sound men made the guitar sound like how Harrison's would be. https://www.soundonsound.com/people/beatles-while-my-guitar-gently-weeps What makes the recording is the haunting organ and bass in the background, not the lead which was not exceptional at all. Why all this fuss about a sessions man - that was what he was on this recording, and would have been paid the union rate for a sessions man by EMI. Hundreds of people played on Beatles recordings, including Brian Jones of the 'Stones. No one makes a big thing about that. 94.3.15.159 (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you at all, and thank you for starting a discussion. More is needed on a lot of aspects of the song, and less might be needed on others, but Clapton's guitar contribution is a highly notable aspect of the track. The article just hasn't been well thought out yet. But the answer's not to add mention in the lead section that Clapton was a "session musician" on the Beatles' recording. He was there as a friend of the Beatle who wrote the song, and at this time, Harrison was making quite a bit of music with Clapton outside the Beatles, and enjoying it. He was a "guest". JG66 (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Officially Clapton was a sessions man. It is that simple. He was. Whether he was a buddy of Harrison is irrelevant. His contribution was minimal. He was told what to do and his work was also changed after the recording in the mixing. The sessions trumpeter in Penny Lane had a great impact in that song, but no one lauds the player. The article heavily implies Clapton made this recording and without him it would have been a flop. That is is nonsense of course. Clapton's contribution should be put into perspective. 94.3.15.159 (talk) 02:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)