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Actually that quote is from Whip (politics). --rbrwr± 09:25, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Actually Whip (politics) was at Whip in May of 2004 :-). Przepla 20:58, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Video game cruft[edit]

[1] I made this edit, noticing a spam link replacing in the external section. In reverting, I also removed a series of recent edits listing a bunch of video games using whips as a weapon. That information should belong in an article about video games, but not whips. SchmuckyTheCat 05:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Videogames and death[edit]

If it mentions TV characters why wouldn't it mention videogames and literature? It's part of the culture aroud whips and Wiktionary is about definitions themselves but Wikipedia is more about the cultural "encycolpedic" stuff... Or am I wrong? Anyway... I recalled that somewhere in this article or a related article it was pointed out how many hits of a whip are enough to kill someone... I wanted to quote that in an argument in a forum on AD&D about the system making common humans to weak against weak weapons (such as whips which are more for damage and pain than for death)but now I can no longer find it... I thought it had been edited off... If anyone knows what happened... Please, add that info back...

Actually, whips can be made both for pain and for actual combat. A properly made whip can sever the human spine, if used by a skilled wielder. Zuiram 01:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
There shouldn't be any video game references in this article. This isn't an encyclopedia just for nerds, and final fantasy and dragon quest are totally irrelevant. imsoclever [t] 15:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

removed request for expansion[edit]

I removed the request for expansion, this article is already at least long enough.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Missing information[edit]

Could anyone please describe the physical principle on which whips' function is based?--Nemissimo II 18:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Could someone post "How To Tie A Whip Popper"? The "popper" is the part at the end of the whip that causes it to "crack" and I know you can "tie your own" but don't know the technique. Thanks. BocaDr1 17:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Beats me, but if anyone knows, that might be interesting. As far as I am concerned, it's all in the wrist. Sometimes with a longe whip, I just fray the popper a bit more to make it crack louder.

The principle of operation involves in the introduction of an amount of kinetic energy into the butt end of the whip, where it is first stored as in angular motion and resultant angular momentum (Mvr) in those materials. The angular momentum then travels through the reducing mass section of the whip and the transferred angular momentum results in an increase in the velocity of the material to make up for the reduction in the radius of motion, and finally gets to the light end of the whip, where the maximum velocity of motion of the rotating whip material is achieved. This activity results in a lengthwise tensile force occurring within the material of the whip, which may result in a breaking off of the thin end of the fast moving whip material.WFPM (talk) 00:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Sonic boom[edit]

A quick google search [2] reveals several sources confirming that the crack is in fact caused by a sonic boom. --George100 04:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No, there is a still a little bit of argument left here. There seems to be some scientific discussion about a wave traveling along the length of the whip that is causing the crack sound, not a mini sonic boom. (I believe Scientific American investigated this). Further, I don't believe that any object traveling through 1-Mach is going to always cause that level of sound, whether or not it is technically always a boom. There is a *lot* taken as assumptions here that I'm not comfortable with. Note: I will withhold *actual* argument until I've substantiated it. Just thought I've voice at least something showing these conclusions as less than obviously correct.Tgm1024 (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Which instances of a word should be wikilinked?[edit]

The first instance of bullwhip, in the second paragraph of the article, is not linked; is this a mistake, or are first-instances not linked if the article has a sub-section about the word, as is the case with bullwhip and the whip article? --dinomite 14:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines do recommend wikilinking the first appearance, appears to have been an inadvertent omission. I fixed it, and the wholesale blanking of the bullwhip section that occurred. Montanabw(talk) 16:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Slang[edit]

Is this section relevant? Is it grammatically correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.84.219 (talk) 07:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hunting Whip/crop[edit]

I think that the whip pictured is an ordinary riding whip. As far as I'm aware the correct term is hunting whip which usually has a stag horn attached to the handle and is used for opening gates etc. The whip also has a lash and thong similar to a stockwhip. Cgoodwin (talk) 01:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

May be yet another US/UK terminology thing. The whip that is the first photo in the article is a shorter hunt seat style whip that is called a crop in the USA, (inflexible, no lash) and farther down the page a hunt "crop" and a dressage "whip" (flexibility, small lash) are laid side by side for comparison. The horn handle whips you describe as a "hunting whip" are only seen in fox hunting in the US, (and maybe in a few specialty classes in east coast shows where members of a hunt compete in their most formal attire) though I understand they are carried in shows in the UK...? There is a technical name for them in the US, but as I am not up on fox hunting etiquette, I am not sure what it is, however the Dover Saddlery catalog might carry them...? Montanabw(talk) 04:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Summerhayes has the following in his "Encyclpoedia for Hosemen": "Whip, Hunting. Incorrectly called a hunting crop, this is made of steel, cane or fibreglass, which may be covered in braided nylon, or gut, or with plaited kangaroo hide with a thong and silk or cord lash attched to the top end, and at the lower end a buckhorn handle for opening gates." A Google image search and "The International Horseman's Dictionary" show the traditional style.
There is a very interesting article on hunting crops, whips and other tack at: http://www.sportingcollection.com/ Cgoodwin (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
But the crop photo that is leading the article doesn't have a lash at all and lacks the gate-opening handle; hence a crop. One of those, however, WOULD be a cool photo for leading the article if there was a free image of one somewhere! The same photo leads crop (implement). Montanabw(talk) 22:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

As a Weapon[edit]

The practical weapon section could use some smoothing out. It reads like an awkward PSA. I did have two points of info that people can take or leave:

  • The old-time blacksnake whips were practical weapons, but not the lash end. The handle was often loaded with lead to make it an effective bludgeon up close.
  • Bullwhips and similar, while not terribly practical for open fighting, can be psychological weapons. That is, they can route a less knowledgeable opponent by fear. I once ran a group vandals off my parent's property when I was twelve using a 8 foot bullwhip, by appearing suddenly, running straight at them and cracking it overhead repeatedly while shouting. They ran like jackrabbits.

Legitimus (talk) 02:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I find the whole section a bit silly and wish it would just die a natural death! LOL! But given that is unlikely to occur, I say if you want to go in and clean it up, be my guest and GO FOR IT!!! (smile) Montanabw(talk) 04:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

OK Are there any Groups for WHIP practioners,contests?[edit]

Any National /Intrenational groups for those interested in the history,culture uses of whips? The article did not bstate! Any whip contests this is serious question1 Thanks!(Dr.Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC 92647)Andreisme (talk) 23:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

No idea, but I suppose there's a club for everything, though. Montanabw(talk) 00:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Buggy whip and economic theory[edit]

I think this section might be better placed in the popular culture section. Most people who think of buggy in the economic context would not really be interested in grades of leather, tanning technique, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.212.128 (talk) 00:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Qilinbian[edit]

There is a new class of whips in China which are called qilinbian (麒麟鞭). It is like a snake whip of steel construction except for the fall and the cracker. It is gaining popularity in China with numerous manufacturers and thousands of people practicing. Cheapest ones consists of 3 or more lengths of steel chains of different weight joined end to end. The thicker is wrapped with a leather strap to form the handle. I bought a very elaborately constructed 麒麟鞭 and found it easy to use and to crack. For videos of cracking steel chain forms go to google video and search for 麒麟鞭 . Google video for 沈阳青年公园晨练麒麟鞭 to see people practicing this whip in a park: . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.131.99 (talk) 17:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Here it a picture I took of my Qilin whip. Steel construction. 177cm steel chain (handle and 24 segments) plus 45cm fall plus 18cm cracker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew.ma.canada (talkcontribs) 03:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

What are they used for? Just noise, or...? I think that a small, well-crafted paragraph would probably be fine in the article. No one else has the time to write it, but if you want to sandbox a small paragraph here, I'd be glad to look it over and comment. Does sound interesting. Is there yet a separate article on this device? Maybe a new article would be an even better idea and we can cross-link it here. Montanabw(talk) 19:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

It is used as a prop for physical exercise and for martial arts performance. There is no mention of this device in wikipedia. I think it should not be a new article, but may have a place here or under whipcracking. Video of a martial arts performance using the qilinbian - (http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/19141896-1365149131.html). Attached is the paragraph. Please comment. Thanks.

qilinbian[edit]

Qilin whip

Qilinbian (麒麟鞭) is a metal whip invented in China in the late 1900's. The 15cm handle is made from a steel chain wrapped with leather. The lash is made of steel rods decreasing in size linked by progressively small steel rings. Lash varies between 150cm and 180cm and is attached to a fall and a cracker. Total weight is 1-2kg. It is used for physical exercise and in performances. Due to its destructive potential the qilinbian can be considered a martial arts weapon. [1].

I think that sounds fine and I would agree to it being added. Except the last sentence, which it seems to be implying some sort of legal classification. I don't know what it is referring to; could you explain? Remember that legal classifications for weapons vary by country.Legitimus (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm OK with it starting off here with a redirect from the word itself. As you get more info, you can expand it into its own article later. As for the martial arts weapon stuff, just find a reliable source that says so and footnote it. Montanabw(talk) 18:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
My reading of the term "martial arts weapon" in the original Chinese writing is in the sense of a "prop" used for a martial arts competition or exercise instead of in the legal sense. Consequently I have removed that sentence to avoid confusion and posted the remainder and added the redirect. Andrew.ma.canada (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Whips as Practical Weapons[edit]

Corrected the statement implying that whips can inflict 'deep' cuts. This simply isn't so.

Added information about barbed or other cutting whips. From my experience.

Added information about the materials used to add weight to whips. From my experience.,

Corrected the information about wrapping with whips. From my experience.

Separated the subjects in this section into paragraphs. For easier reading.

A.M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambrose M (talkcontribs) 09:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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