Talk:White Cliffs of Dover

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Older: display/ND Way[edit]

The picture displays to the extreme left, under the sidebar, for me. Hyacinth 21:22, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes, Steinsky, you are right, the "White Cliffs" are indeed at the end of the "North Downs Way". Apologies are in order. Dieter Simon 23:10, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Np, :) Joe D (t) 23:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Birds of Prey[edit]

I have deleted reference to birds of prey nesting here as the bird mentioned is a Schedule 1 protected species and the nest has been robbed before. It is therefore best not to advertise their presence.--twitter 10:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ironically, don't you feel that in doing that and posting the explaination that you have advertized it better yourself by specifically saying that it is protected and that aparently the nests are located such that they can be robbed? I'm not saying that this should go back in, however, I would not think that the people who commit that type of crime get the idea from this type of source. IE if you want to do something like that I would imagine that there are better and more reliable sources of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.36.95.10 (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Albion[edit]

Perhaps there should be something on how the white cliffs led to the island of Great Britain being known to the romans as Albion (the white island). Then in general seperate into sections the parts about the geological history and cultural history.

Well, go ahead if you have sources you can cite to that effect. It is important that you substantiate your point, otherwise it will be reverted for lack of cited facts. Dieter Simon 21:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Around seventy million years ago Britain was submerged by a shallow sea. The sea bottom was made of a white mud formed from the fragments of coccoliths - the skeletons of tiny algae which floated in the surface waters of the sea. This mud was later to become the chalk. It is thought that the chalk was deposited very slowly, probably only half a millimeter a year - equivalent to about 180 coccoliths piled one on top of another. In spite of this, up to 500 metres of chalk were deposited in places. The coccoliths are too small to be seen without a powerful microscope but if you look carefully you will find fossils of some of the larger inhabitants of the chalk sea such as sponges, shells, ammonites and urchins.

Seven Sisters[edit]

I thought I'd cross-post here a question I've just asked over at Talk:Seven Sisters, Sussex as to why the Seven Sisters are sometimes used instead of the real White Cliffs of Dover in some historical movies etc. Is it because, as I saw somewhere, that the area around Dover is burdened with anachronistic developments? If someone could verify this somehow (a photo might demonstrate the point, if it is the development thing), it probably ought to go into the Culture section of this article too. - IMSoP 10:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Capitalisation[edit]

Shouldn't this article be called White Cliffs of Dover, with a capital C? Andrew (My talk) 18:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

yes of course Peter Shearan (talk) 14:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Why the gap?[edit]

It says - "the cliffs spread east and west from the town of Dover", but no reason for that is mentioned. Like the Seven Sisters, the cliffs are the sea-eroded remains of the chalk Downs, and the valleys represent the valleys on its edge.This one has the River Dour cutting through it Peter Shearan (talk) 14:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Climbing[edit]

There should be a mention of climbing on the cliffs. Reference the Climbers' Club guide to southern sandstone, which includes a section on climbing on the chalk cliffs of Kent and Sussex, among them Dover.Brilliantine (talk) 16:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Question of Writing the Monumental Given[edit]

Sorry for disturbing first. Why do you write the name of this article not as monumental as a friend of mine (who does not have regular internet) does feel it - like "White Cliffs of Dover" she is asking me.

In short: Why is it not written "White Cliffs of Dover"?

ps: I'll hope to check in later and give her and me your answer. Thank you. And yes, we are only talking school english:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.136.36.164 (talk) 05:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 12:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


White cliffs of DoverWhite Cliffs of Dover — The proposed move reflects the correct capitalisation of this proper name - the existing 'White cliffs of Dover' looks ugly. A quick check on various websites eg National Trust will confirm this. I see it also appears at http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/w/White_cliffs_of_Dover.htm with numerous examples within the text of inappropriate capitalisation. —Geopersona (talk) 06:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Support White Cliffs of Dover is a name, not a description. The sources support the move. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 17:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Support good catch. Ratagonia (talk) 20:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The cliffs of Dover is not a proper place name and should not be capitalized when used in a sentence. It's similar to saying "the streets of London". --NormanEinstein (talk) 22:38, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Not its not. "White Cliffs of Dover" is the proper name, as demonstrated by the National Trust ("White Cliffs of Dover, South-East Kent"). 84.92.117.93 (talk) 23:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Support agree it should be treated as a proper name per National Trust etc. DBaK (talk) 23:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Support certainly a geographical term. —innotata (TalkContribs) 16:41, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Support, it's a metonym and therefore is proper rather than common. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 22:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Is sufficiently established to be a proper noun. And while we're quoting song titles, a bit like the Black Hills of Dakota. Skinsmoke (talk) 11:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Symbolic value of Britain?[edit]

Are they symblolic of Britain, or England? "where invasions have historically threatened and against which the cliffs form a symbolic guard.". 1066, the Spanish Armada etc. , weren't all these invasions of England, not the UK? Moooooocow (talk) 18:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

I've removed a few of the more egregious bits of trivia from the section about the cliffs in popular culture. However, I still think most of the references are pretty fleeting and of questionable significance: unless anyone comes up with any particular reason to keep a particular reference, I'm going to remove all the songs etc. which merely mention the cliffs ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

no objections, so I've been bold ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

"In popular culture" - again[edit]

The entire section was just removed as irrelevant. I disagree. The cliffs' iconic status as reflected in the tons of mentions of them is part of the story. Maybe it could usefully be rewritten as continuous prose, emphasizing things like the song and reflecting Shakespeare scholars' assessment of the importance of the occurrence in King Lear - but the list was already pruned (see above section) and I believe this is one of the article topics where it's appropriate to have such a section. Thoughts? Yngvadottir (talk) 20:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Chopped the section. It was unsourced except for one possible valid ref, the you-tube link was absurd. Fell free to re-add portions with valid WP:RS support and a rationale for why the individual bits are relevant to the cliffs. The section should not be used as a means of promotion. Vsmith (talk) 14:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

So now we have no mention of their importance in popular culture at all? That seems rather a step backwards. I think the continuous prose idea has merit. Lists tend to encourage new entries, whereas well-written sentences require someone to spend a few minutes thinking about what they're writing. - IMSoP (talk) 18:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Please feel free. I tend to agree, this is a topic that richly deserves to have such a section. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
A well sourced prose section covering the notable and historic references would be welcome. The rather misplaced unsourced tidbit re: the bluebirds in the Ecology section could be included. And I agree, the list structure tends to invite quick links to one's fav song/movie/TV episode/video game ... promotion. Whereas good ref'd prose would be less appealing to those folks. Vsmith (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)