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Finnish Wii price

Shouldn't Finnish price be added? It has been confirmed by AMO (Finnish importer of Nintendo products) that it´s retail price is 269.99€. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) .

Please put all new topics at the bottom of the page and remember to sign your comments using 4 ~. // Sasuke-kun27 11:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Sasuke-kun27, please do not reply to someone simply with Wiki rules and regulation, it's very impolite and makes it look like Wiki users only care about upholding the law or something. For the topic creator (I'll call you for now), if you could provide a link that states the price you mentioned, perhaps someone will make the modification.Duhman0009 12:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. It was an accident.. I should have put it down..
I don't think I can find pages in English, but if it helps, here is from importers (mini)site for Nintendo games:
Words next to Wii pic go something like this: Gaming revolutionizer Wii will be released in Finland 8th December at the recommended price of 269.90 Euros. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) .
We have been over this many times now, no urine referance will go into the article. TJ Spyke 04:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wifi USB Connector

Does anyone know if the Wifi USB Connecter will be compatible with Wii, i.e. allow Wii to use the net if it can't detect your router like the DS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Arkhiver

I think it does, at least devkits do, as showed on IGN weekly 30. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) .
I think on IGN Weekly they connected using SSID... Arkhiver 01:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Next day street value

does anyone know what the next day street value is? i know that because of limited quantities its definitely going to be worth a lot, i heard about $3,000, can anyone confirm or give me another price? Cubanaso 22:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

How is 1 million+ launch systems in North America "limited quantity"? No way somebody would pay that much for a Wii, not even on eBay. TJ Spyke 22:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

oooo, i heard 400,000 but thanks for the facts Cubanaso 00:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's the PS3 which will only have 400,000 systems. I think you just mixed them up. TJ Spyke 00:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

ya someone told me it was 400,000 4 both & i juss wanted a confrimation, but thats y they say trust nothing u hear & only 1/2 of what you read Cubanaso 03:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe 400,000 is the number of Wiis avaliable on launch day in the US or the US and Canada and 1 mil is the number for all of the Americas. — Jaxad0127 05:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
No, the person from Nintendo of Canada clearly said 1 million for North America. TJ Spyke 05:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I sure hope so, because the Game Stop where I get my games at filled in their reserve quota last week within 45 minutes of opening the store and I had no idea when they were reserving Wiis. Now I may have to wait longer to get one. -サターンヨッシー HAPPY HALLOWEEN 08:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you're misplacing the decimal point. Nintendo have said they'll have 4 million units for launch, and a million more a month after that. The number of units they'll have available by the end of the fiscal year is supposed to be 9 million, which would fit those figures. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 07:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Read what's currently in the article. Each statement in there has a source to verify it. As recently as October 26, Nintendo's official estimates were 1 million in North America on launch day, 4 million worldwide by the end of the calendar year, 6 million worldwide by the end of the fiscal year. Also, all I've heard about a 9 million units figure traces to an unofficial estimate by UBS Investment Research, which has not been shown to relate at all to Nintendo's estimates. I don't know where you're getting the "4 million units for launch, and a million more a month after that" information, but if you provide a source, perhaps it can be evaluated. Dancter 08:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Excite Truck (UK)

I would change it myself, but can't, so I'm just making it known that Excite Truck WILL be available in the United Kingdom on launch, at least from the major online retailers such as Can someone please change this? OnionHead 15:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Online stores are not reliable release date sources. For example many still have Wario Ware Twisted down for launch. Sockatume 18:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Target is selling stands, gloves, etc. Should we add that?--User:NFAN3|NFAN3 17:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC) Perhaps, so people know. Maybe also offer the prices for each accessory, and where else it's available under a subsection like accessories, perhaps?

Unrequired Information?

I know that the Wii is attracting a lot of attention worldwide, but is there really any need for the page to be so vastly long? A lot of the informatio could be moved to individual pages (list of launch titles, wii channels info, etc.), and some of the information is just useless to anyone who's not a major fanboy looking for news on the Wii (the amazon pre-order problem, the retail packaging list that could be shortened and added somewhere else). Also, if there's already a page devoted to certain sections (Wii Channels, NFWC/WiiConnect24, the controller), is there really any need for the information to be so comprehensive on this page? Seriously, I'm interested in the Wii and all but the page is massive and untidy and could be vasty improved. If people agree I'll start making some edits. Noit88 17:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

For the record, you began your edits before anyone could respond to this post. Just64helpin 19:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Just64 is right, you shouldn't make such major edits (like removing entire sections), without getting a consensus from the other people who also edit the page. TJ Spyke 20:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't normally agree with TJ Spyke, but this time I have to. Removing something that has no sources what-so-ever is OK as long as you state why it needed to go, but removing info just because you feel that there's to much, well this needs to be discuss first. Although no one owns the Wii page, if the majority agrees on something, well you get the idea. Duhman0009 01:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I've just done some light formatting and organizing on the very top of the Wii section, as you can see. What really needs to be organized next (not obliterated or deleted - organized) is the "Launch" section. The Release Date and Price section hardly even entails the release dates, or the prices, until paragraphs below. Perhaps there needs to be a sub-section called "Pre-Launch History" there, or something of the sort? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Well while we're at it then, why not group all the Wii channels, I personally feel that it's not worth describing them all, naming them in one paragraph should be more than enough. Duhman0009 05:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed about the Wii Channels part, since there is a whole article for them. TJ Spyke 06:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Wii price (250 USD) + tax?

Hello, I'm here again, I just wanted to know the Wii's price + the tax thing... I don't live in the States so I'm not very informed about it... 01:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The $249.99 price is before tax. The problem is that sales tax in the US varies by state (and sometimes even counties within a state). Some areas have no sales tax, while I have seen others as high as 9.25%. TJ Spyke 02:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
As high as? It's 17.5% in Britain. Is the price for the UK before or after tax? OnionHead 12:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
The UK price is after tax. Tim 18:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

NYC has 15% sales tax Cubanaso 16:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

NYC does not have 15% sales tax, especially since that would mean the counties NYC are in would have 11% tax (since NYS only has 4%). Onion, I was referring to here in the US, I am aware that tax is much higher in other countries. TJ Spyke 21:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Source: Article on Sales TaxShanesan (contribs) (Talk) 08:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok thanks... does anyone know its price in Florida? Is it before tax? 00:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you live in Florida? If so, then you already know what the sales tax is. Tax is 8% where I live, so it would be $249.99 x 1.08 TJ Spyke 00:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The Finnish price for the Wii is going to be €269,90 per the website - direct link is - I forgot to mention this but Finland VAT is 22%. Should be able to figure out base price from that.

Is that Finnish price before of after the VAT? TJ Spyke 08:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Some news here indicate that the price of the Wii in Italy will be €259 (VAT included, at 20%) and the release date will be 7 december (8 december is a holiday in Italy). No news on the italian Nintendo site at this time. 08:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed that the release date will be 7 December : . No confirmation for the price, but some retailers confirms that it will be 259. 13:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Learn how to conjugare. -lysdexia 20:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

DVD Enhanced Wii on the way?

The site, in their report of CNN's collaboration with the Wii News, mentions that the most recent issue of the UK's Edge magazine claims that there is an "Enhanced Wii with DVD playback" due for release in Japan next year. --Billdorr 06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It would most likely be like the Panasonic Q, the basic system but with the ability to play DVDs. TJ Spyke 06:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I read that at 9AM this morning (GMT-5) and I'm taking that with a grain of salt. They wouldn't announce that right before launch. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 06:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
That Was Edge who reported it, Nintedo themselves have not said anything. TJ Spyke 06:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd say it's unlikely, as there's no benefit (and lots of cost) to adding a DVD-ROM drive. It's not part of the Wii philosophy, just as it wasn't part of the GameCube philosophy. I wouln't be surprised to see a third party add-on to allow DVD playback, or some alternative version like the Q mentioned above, but I doubt we'll see a DVDWii. And if it's true, the timing of the announcement is inconceivably dumb. Kelvingreen 09:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Ummm... wow. That's just... wow. Take a look at a site like Newegg. Price of a CD-ROM drive: $12 or so. Price of a DVD-ROM drive: $18 or so. The price difference truly is negligible. Also, unless I'm seriously mistaken, the Wii isn't using CDs. Even the Gamecube needed more space than a CD had. Hell, even the Dreamcast used more than CDs provided. Again unless I'm seriously mistaken the Wii is already going to have a DVD-ROM in it. The price is next to nothing and the capacity is greatly needed. There is tons of benefit and no "lots of cost". And I do find it funny, really, that Nintendo feels that DVD playback isn't something people will need (after all they're not like Sony, trying to make an all-in-one device), even though they have everything in place for it hardware-wise, yet being able to view pictures and videos from your camera card (which has added cost, adding the card readers and such) is worthy of the final cut. Silly silly Nintendo. --Twile 17:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject or its features. Just64helpin 18:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd wait for an official conformation before adding it to the article. Sockatume 19:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and added it. While I'm a little leery of Edge after the whole "Virtual Console Controllers" confusion, I consider reliable enough. Dancter 19:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The discussion was to not add it until its confirmed by Nintendo. Please don't add it again, or, if you feel it should be in, wait for a consensus. This was not confirmed by Nintendo, and adding current rumor like this can make our Wiki untrustworthy. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but if a reliable source states that Nintendo stated it directly to them, I consider that a confirmation. I understood the discussion to be about the reliability of the Edge article. I'll wait for a new consensus, but I don't think that in any way I violated a pre-existing one. Dancter 22:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC) has confirmation from a Nintendo spokesperson. If it's not added yet (I've not looked yet) I'll stick it in. "Virtual Console Controllers" confusion? You mean that inch-square photo and caption which the blogosphere jumped on and massively misinterpreted? Sockatume 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I still contend that some of that blame rests on Edge for sloppiness. Dancter 22:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
What sloppiness? They made it pretty clear it was just a mock-up Nintendo were showing off, and not an actual product. Not that you can tell it from a picture, a caption, and somebody's entirely speculative internet forum post. Sockatume 17:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii GUI revealed!

Some shots and info on the Wii GUI were released by IGN, you can check them out here. It would be helpful if someone added any images and info. :) --Anas Salloum 18:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Disputed Talk

<small>(prev. Remove/Edit: Long Introduction & Wii Channels)</small> <div style="background-color:#cc0000; border-bottom:-1px; border: 1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:center; font-size:100%; padding:20px; margin:4px;"><big><big>'''Disputed Talk'''</big></big><br \><br \> <big>The Following sections are disputed: '''Wii in Popular Culture'''</big></div> <div style="background-color:#ffff99; border-bottom:0px; border: 1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:center; font-size:100%; padding:7px; margin:4px;">When adding your opinions, please use the bold headers "'''support''''" or "'''oppose'''" if making a point. Please follow this up as to why you chose your specific choice.<br \> If you have a comment or question, use the bold terms "'''comment'''" and "'''question'''" where applicable.</div> ===Wii in Popular Culture=== <div style="background-color:#CCFFFF; border-bottom:-1px; border: 1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:left; font-size:100%; padding:3px; margin:4px;">The [[Wii#Wii_in_Popular_Culture|Wii in Popular Culture]] section has been a form of debate over the last 24 hours. Its time to bring the discussion here. Those who support this section believe that its a useful tool for culture to know where the Wii has been seen. The opposition believes this list will get ridiculously large and ultimately a weight on this article. Discussion below will give us a better understanding of the issues. —[[User:Shanesan|'''<span style="color: #00FF00; font: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 10px;">Shanesan</span>''']] <small> ([[Special:Contributions/Shanesan|contribs]]) ([[User_talk:Shanesan|Talk]])</small> 07:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)</div>

Oppose, I have seen plenty of edit wars revolving around "in Popular Culture" sections, leading to uncivil fights that make the talk page ridiculously long. I was about to say maybe make a new article titled "List of References of Wii in Popular Culture" and have a reduced version here (like with Wii Channels). However, the more I think about it, the more I think it's stupid. Thoughts?--Farquaadhnchmn 13:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Support or Oppose The answer is simple, you either keep Pop-culture references in all Wiki articles, or you don't. Wikipedia works by a standard, so if one article is allow to have Pop-culture references, then every aritcle should be allowed and vice-versa. Duhman0009 13:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Oppose, The Wii is very famous right know. Everyone is talking about it. Millions of blogs and forums have been made because of it. I don't want a hunkin large list, and it is not needed. This is an Online Encyclopedia. And a civilized Wiki. Wikipedia. Rubbicub 23:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Support, I think it should be added because South Park grabs a huge part of the target democraphic for video games. It also takes up half of the episode with the other half talking about atheists. SO I believe that this scenerio is worth mentioning on this Wiki, while adding blogs and forums is not. 01:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Support I believe that it should be mentioned mainly due to the fact that the Console played an Important role in the episode and upcoming episode, It wasn't just a moment were someone was simply playing, simple fact the Console played an IMPORTANT ROLE, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 03:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Past Disuputed Talk

Introduction Issue 1: The 30th of October build, before edited by John Mash, presented [here], I believe is a more effective (in the sense that this is an encyclopedia, not a book) method of formatting the introduction. Splitting off into links where the user can find more information, or moving them into more appropriate categories, would be more effective.

In question is the following quote from the introduction.

I believe the first paragraph of the quote would more effectively be presented in an "Introduction Category" such as "Selling Points". The whole E3 thing should be in the history.

EDIT: "Introduction Category" sounds lame. The beginning there is okay. Leave it there. The E3 thing, instead of putting it in "History", make the category "Inception", "Birth of Wii", "Dawn of Wii" or something else that really shows that it's "Wii", not "The Wii" or "Nintendo Wii". Comments? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC) ISSUE 1 CLOSED. Result: Opposed


Wii Channels The "Wii Channels" section is nearly identical to the Wii Channels main article. I suggest a major breakdown to the Wii Channels section on the Wii page and perhaps just create an introduction on what the channels are and what the channels are supposed to do as a whole - not what each channel individually is supposed to entail (already explained in the Wii Channels main article). Comments. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

ISSUE 2 CLOSED. Result: Unanimous Support

  • Comment, I agree on the E3 part, but for now it would be best to remove the "History" section's contents and wait for the consensus. Just64helpin 22:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support both subjects, Off the Wii Channels I say! Describing what the Channels do would be like describing the entire Menu content of the PS2 or another console. It's not really necessary, especially since there is a Wii Channel Page already on Wiki. Just leave the Wii Channels' purpose in summery and put a link to the Wii Channels Wiki page. Duhman0009 22:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, the reduction of the Wii Channels section, Undecided about Issue 1. JQF 01:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, issue 2, Oppose issue 1. TJ Spyke 01:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, issue 2, Oppose issue 1. Why does something that isnt even released yet have a history section, that is why I oppose issue 1. DivineShadow218 01:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply, Issue 1 has to do with construction and E3 history (it's the past). This would need a place to go - it shouldn't be in the introduction. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 02:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply, I understand that there should be a section about the history, but the section needs another title because history is just to broad. The section should be pre-release, not pwii-release, or just something like pre-release. Then maybe we can add subsections about development and pre-orders and such. DivineShadow218 06:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply, So in other words, you Support With Ammendment? AKA your idea? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, issue 2, Oppose issue 1. Comment, I believe that the info in that introduction paragraph is fine. It isn't overly long and that is the only reason I can think of for axing it. The version presented [here] is too short and vague to give the reader a full introduction, especially if they are merely skimming the article and do not want to read the whole thing.--Farquaadhnchmn 13:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Issue 2. The section on the Wii page shouldn't go into that much detail; the Wii Channels page should.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 22:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


Why is the Wii article in the Category:Low-importance_computer_and_video_game_articles? It is one of the three "Next-Gen" consoles, not a small sub-article. SeanMon 02:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

That is for [Wikipedia 1.0]. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 02:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Please read the section on importance of topic to see why its given such a low rating. — Jaxad0127 02:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
And the reason why PS3 had a rating of "High"? The PS3 article is a mess compared to the Wii article. TJ Spyke 03:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It's down to low now. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 06:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Launch Titles

This article is saying that it's confirmed that there's around 27 games available on launch day, which is simply not true. Even the links provided for a source say around 15-16 on launch day. The "30 launch titles" that are being reported are for the launch window, not launch day. I can provide numerous sources to this effect, but can't find a difinitive list of what titles will actually be available on launch day. Can anyone else? Either way, we need to change the wording in the article...27 games on launch day is innacurate. CPitt76 02:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

All of the titles on that list have been confirmed for launch, so the count is accurate. TJ Spyke 03:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Aren't you gonna remove Elebits? Duhman0009 05:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
No, because if you look at the table you will see that it is a launch title in Japan. TJ Spyke 05:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
They have been confirmed for launch window, but not launch day. Only about half of those titles are going to be available on launch day. I'm not arguing that we remove any of the titles, but that we change the wording that precedes the table, since right now it's incorrect. Check the source for some of the games on the table to see what I mean. CPitt76 00:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
All of the games with "Yes" have been confirmed to be LAUNCH games, not launch window games. TJ Spyke 01:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you might be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that they are launch games. I'm not suggesting that they should be changed in the table. I'm saying the statement "27 games available on launch DAY" is inaccurate and the intro to the table should be reworded. Even the citation for that statement doesn't show 27 launch titles. And info that came out after that article has pared the number down a little. From the November 2006 Issue of GameInformer: "Thirty launch titles will be available during the launch window from both Nintendo and third-party publishers, with about half that number on hand on day one." That means 27 games will not be available on launch day as the article states. I can just remove the word "day", but I was hoping someone could provide a source with a list of what games will actually be available on launch day so we could make the number in the intro to the table accurate. CPitt76 02:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The citation is old, all 27 of those games have been confirmed by one source or another to be out on launch DAY. There just isn't a list having them all together. TJ Spyke 03:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

And the information is always changing. Games get delayed. The newest info I've seen is the GameInformer quote I provided saying there would be roughly 15 games available on launch day. Do you have any current sources that contradict that? CPitt76 03:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, you are sourcing GameInformer. Can you use another source with exact dates, or show us your source, so we can put this into a better context? I'm hearing opposition to the current table, but I am not seeing it cited. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the list should just be labelled as "Launch Window Games" along with the games that are expected to come out during the launch window. The shipment date for games often changes at the last moment, so it would be much cleaner and easier to maintain if the precise shipping date is mentioned on the games' own article page. Unplugged68 06:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
A list of "launch window" games is not informative. Only actuall launch games should be listed. TJ Spyke 06:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo will have a complete, concise list of all games coming out on release day within 2 weeks, so right now, this is probably the most concise list on the internet, so wait it out and hold your hats. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 08:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To clarify, Shanesan, you are not hearing opposition to the current table (from me anyway). I am not saying we change the table at all. As I said in my initial post, I don't have a cited list with dates, that is what I was asking for. I'm not sure what you mean by can I show you my source. I've already said the quote came from the November 2006 issue of GameInformer. For further clarification, it's page 25. Short of actually hand delivering you a copy of the mag, that's as helpful as I can be. I'm not suggesting we tag games as "launch window" games, either. All I'm saying is that we just need to delete the phrase "Launch DAY" from the paragraph before the table, since no one seems to be sure that those titles will all be available on the day the Wii is released. All we need to do is call them out as launch titles. Not launch window titles, not launch day titles. "Launch titles" fixes this cleanly and quickly. CPitt76 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii region coding

Just a quick note- Nintendo has revealed that the wii will be region coded. would a member please add this in as I am not a member and new members cant add content to this page

There is still speculation to this - just because America says it's region-free and Europe says it's not, doesn't mean anything. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
We can't trust any gaming company from Europe, we know that they hate it when people there import because it hurts their business (although it's their fault for always releasing games and system after NA and Japan). I don't need to remind anyone of the SCEE Vs. Lik-Sang case. Duhman0009 02:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
They have also been wrong before. I remember the head of NOE saying there wouldn't be a redesign of the DS, then NOJ announced the DS Lite less than a week later. TJ Spyke 02:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Tense changes

Is there any organized plan for the changing of future tense in regards to the article's subject? Many changes will have to be made to the article once the console is released. Just64helpin 17:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I have created a page here, with pages that will be affected by the Wii launch (in more than tense perhaps as well). I think it would be a good idea to organize something where each person gets, say, 3 or 4 articles to edit (depending on the number of participants) so that we can have up-to-date info within two hours or so. Scepia 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect, Unconfirmed, or One-Sided Arguments

The following was added by someone, then removed by me. This is the discussion as to whether or not they should be included:

Canada Flag

Not being nationalist or anything, but ALL of the flags are below in the "launch" area of the page, with release dates. If you really want to put the Canadian flag, or any other flag, in the release section on the top right, you might as well just add every nations flag, and that'd be a cluster-fuck, pardon my language. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Quite a point there. But what flags should we put in the upper right, then?--the ninth bright shiner halloween 21:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Usually the EU flag represents Europe in general (unless specific countries have different release dates), US represents North America (unless other NA countries have different dates), and Australia represents both Australia and New Zealand. TJ Spyke 21:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Then I suppose what we already have will do. Just seemed sort of wrong to let the big, well-known countries swallow up the little ones in terms of whether their flag gets to be displayed on the Wikipedia article on Wii. Bah, I'm being overly sensitive.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 21:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I've siad it before, but either say 'see chart below' that has all the release dates in it, or simply divide it into regions without flags (ie: instead of US, Mexico and Canada, write North America, etc.). This will not cause a nationlist fight. --Thaddius 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

DVD/Video Wii

We discussed above (on this talk page) of this rumor, and how it probably shouldn't be added until Nintendo can confirm it. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo has confirmed this, [1]. They also confirm that there are no plans to release it outside of Japan. TJ Spyke 20:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Roger that. I'll get that back in there then. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 22:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I mentioned this when I re-added it yesterday. I also edited it to read "A Nintendo spokesperson has confirmed that..." in order to make it clear what the source was. Sockatume 17:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Region Locked


Obviously, we cannot guarantee that the Wii will be region locked, yet we can't unconfirm it either. It could be a ploy by Nintendo Europe to keep Europeans from buying a Wii from the American launch window.

As always, I love your thoughts to these matters. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems it would be best if we just said that it's unclear whether the Wii will be region-locked or not. Because from what the two passages are saying, it's definitely unclear.--the ninth bright shiner halloween 01:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
NoA corrected themselves, confirming that it's region locked.[2]Sockatume 17:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo Australia has also confirmed this, and it is obvious because the PAL hardware is obviously different in its framebuffer size.
(Edit: Who wrote the above statement?) I still find it suspicious that everyone who is getting Wii later than the United States jumped on it so fast. "THERE IS REGION LOCK!" I am suspecting they are saying this because they don't want thousands of people importing their Wii from North America, sucking from the potential American owners and lowering their home countries sales. Speculation or not, I say we leave it the way it is now. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 00:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think Nintendo Europe would say this if it's not true. It would cause a lot of controversy if Nintendo "didn't know" whether it was or wasn't region locked twice in a row. Besides, I'm sure after the first time they were wrong, they made sure that it was region locked. To say that it's unclear whether games are region locked or not seems incorrect to me as the most current information that we have to go on suggests that games are region locked and there seems to be little controversy over this now outside of this Wiki. SmartSped 03:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo of Europe said there would be no upgrade to the DS and then less than a week later Nintendo of Japan unveiled the DS Lite. NOE doesn't know anything. TJ Spyke 03:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Which part of "Nintendo of America have confirmed this" are you having trouble understanding? Sockatume 14:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
We took the issue to a Nintendo US spokesperson and received the clarification we desired, unpleasant as it was. "We've heard conflicting reports from lots of folks out there, but can tell you that Wii will be region encoded, as will first-party software."
Guess we'll know in December for sure if it will be Region lock, or if it was a lie in order to prevent exporting during the NA launch Window. Duhman0009 20:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
That'd be a pretty absurd move. It's only a two-week-or-so head start. By the time the Wii comes out in Europe, and importer's US Wii will probably still be in Customs. Why not discourage importing by, I don't know, actually region locking the console?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
Words are much cheaper than actions. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't see why I bother replying to a rude IP address, but anyway, to answer you question, there's a few possibilities. First, SONY and Nintendo seem to copy each other's idea once in a while. So with PS3 being region FREE, then perhaps Nintendo got the idea to do the same thing. Second possibility would be that they would want to save time and money by having the games in both English and Japanese, all made in the same area in Japan, leaving only the box art and manual to differ the two versions. This last reason could be why Nintendo first stated that 1st party games would be region FREE. Duhman0009 21:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Whether it's locked or not, I added Kaplan's statement and NoE and NoA's responses to the article, along with the caveat expressed here. That way we've got the facts as they stand, at least. Sockatume 23:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

North American Release Games

Is the "No" supposed to indicate that it will not be available at the North American release date, or that it has not been confirmed to be released in North America at all?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bytemaster (talkcontribs)

It's under "confirmed launch titles," so I suppose it indicates that it will not be available at the North American release date. Oh, and please sign your comments with four tildes (like this:~~~~).--the ninth bright shiner halloween 22:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Orannis is right. If there is a "Yes", that means it has been confirmed to be a launch title in that region. If it says "No", that means its been confirmed it will not be a launch title in that region. "Unknown" of coarse means we don't know if it will or will not be a launch game in that region. TJ Spyke 22:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I have noticed several of the games listed as No for North America have definitely been confirmed to be released in North America, but not necessarily on launch day. I wanted to ask before making edits that would just be reversed. Again, thank you.--Bytemaster 07:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed Launch Games (Wii and Virtual Console)

Today, it seems that Nintendo has announced a finalized list of launch games (32 to count) as well as the final list of Virtual Console games (30 to count) to be out by five weeks after the console's launch. It also lists the Virtual Console official price for games. You pretty much know the Wii launch list, so just look at the link provided to check. And the Virtual Console games:

NES: Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Ice Hockey, Pinball, Soccer, Tennis, Urban Champion, Wario’s Woods, Baseball, Solomon’s Key

SNES: F-Zero, SimCity

N64: Super Mario 64

Sega Genesis: Sonic the Hedgehog, Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Columns, Ecco the Dolphin, Gunstar Heroes, Space Harrier II, Toe Jam & Earl, Ristar, Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine

TurboGrafx16: Bonk’s Adventure, Super Star Soldier, Victory Run, Bomberman ’93, Dungeon Explorer

Here's the proof: [3]. This info on has been released today (10/31), so it's not old news, and it's official. Hope this helps expand the article. :) Darknut Slayer 04:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution, Darknut Slayer. Though this is not a "launch day" list ("Before the end of December, the following titles will be available:"), this can definately be added to the Virtual Console (Wii) article! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
All right, thanks. :) I'll post this information at the Discussion section at the Virtual Console page as well, so someone can edit the main article. Darknut Slayer 04:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Region "Australia" in the Confirmed Launch Games list should read "Australasia" or "Oceania". Picky, I know, but the amount of times New Zealand is thought of as part of Australia is terribly annoying. Also, New Zealand will be receiving "WarioWare: Smooth Moves" and "Elebits" which are currently set to "No" (not receiving it) - proof is at [4]. I am new to Wikipedia so I'm not sure I'm typing in the correct place here, but these changes would be appreciated since I can't change them myself. Thank you.—Preceding unsigned comment added by KylePIB (talkcontribs)

A "No" just means it won't be a launch title. Do you have a more reliable source for them being launch games in Australia/New Zealand? Retailers are usually not totally reliable. TJ Spyke 08:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Wait, what? There's something MORE reliable than NINTENDO ITSELF? This is news to me. Perhaps it could be changed to Oceania. Roll call & Vote on it. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 09:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
GamePlanet stores is a Nintendo site? Geez, I wonder why Nintendo would sell an Xbox 360? The source he provided is a retailer in New Zealand. We don't rely on EB Games for release info here in North America, do we?—Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ Spyke (talkcontribs)
I appologise if I was being uninformative. I was referring to the source on the Wii Wiki Itself, not on the talk page. Elebits is not a launch title. This thread is over. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 22:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


Firstly, good call Dancter with the flagging of the Hardware: Processor section.

Supposedly, someone found a link to what the processor "really" is (a 900mHz PowerPC) with a Kotaku Source.

I tracked down the processor they meausured up to it, and put up a link to the source. However, this should probably be discussed and analyzed.

I presented the information. What do you see? —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 05:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ars Technica presents a decent assessment of the information. While a sound case is made for the specs, the same thing could be said of other alleged specs that were rejected by consensus. It's still not a confirmation. I think that we've kept out rumored specs for so long that we might as well just wait a few more weeks until some tech site does the inevitable under-the-hood examination of an off-the-shelf unit. Dancter 06:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It is obvious that Nintendo is not releasing the specs because they appear week to the other consoles - The Wii was not made for very high performance. The Technical specs from IGN were from dev hardware as are technica's. There is no reason to believe they are incorrect. There is a poor double standard being shown here. If only Nintendo's official version is to be included that most of this article needs to be removed. - anon 21:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no unfair double standard. IGN, frankly, screws things up. They were the ones that were first reporting that the sensor bar actually has sensors, despite Ars Technica reporting that it's just an LED bar around the same time. They said that the Wiimote had an "eye" that might be able to be used as a megapixel camera, despite it just being an IR sensor for the pointer functionality. That no reliable or semi-reliable source has confirmed IGN's specs just makes it worse. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
They were both right about the eye, it's a generic 1Mpixel CCD camera behind an IR filter. Most cheap CCDs can see into the IR, in fact: I've seen plenty of game show photos of the Sensor Bar with the IR LEDs lit up bright purple.Sockatume 15:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. IGN made no indication that it was an IR eye though. They said it was optical, and that might act like a camera (in function, ie. actually taking optical-light photos), but that's the whole of it. Considering that they left out the LED bit, it was misleading. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I suppose they weren't really clear about it being used as an image sensor rather than an actual camera. Them's the breaks when you report rumours, I guess - their source probably didn't know beyond it being a CCD image sensor.Sockatume 16:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
They also don't state that they know that this chip is the Wii chip. It's a Gekko-like chip being released around the same time as the Wii. It's not necessarily the same thing. It could be, or it could be for some other embedded application that we don't know about. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we wait until we get official specs from Nintendo? Sakamura 21:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

That may be a very long wait. Dancter 21:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Two 'Nintendo Hardware' Templates

There are two templates, one for simply Nintendo hardware, another wfor the Wii specifically with a link to the wiimote underneath. I can't remove the regular Nintnedo one cause the site is locked, just thought I'd say that so it can be removed when the site is unlocked again. --Thaddius 14:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Thaddius. I'll look into this and get back to you in about 5 minutes. :) —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
By the time I was done throwing it out, it had already been taken care of! Removed: Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 20:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Disc Capacity?

Wii Disc Capacity? What's the storage capacity of a Wii disc, in comparison to DVDs and GameCube discs?

(sorry, this appeared twice for some reason)Kelvingreen 22:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

GameCube discs held 1.5GB of data. Wii discs are basically DVDs in terms of size and storage. Just like DVDs, Wii discs will hold 4.7GB single layer or 8.5GB dual layer. TJ Spyke 22:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this sourced? I don't see it in the article (where it should be!) —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 23:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
So the announcement of the DVD-Wii means little for Wii gamers, as there's nothing a DVD disc can do for games that a Wii disc can't? It's just an added multimedia feature for those who want to watch movies on Wii?
I do think that if sourced info on the storage capacity can be found, it should be added to the tech specs section of the main article (if not already). It's useful, relevant information, I reckon. Kelvingreen 13:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't imagine why Nintendo would go with anything other than DVDs at this point. The hardware is cheap, the discs are cheap, and they don't need any more storage space for the time being. Considering that they were planning on originally having the ability to play DVDs, I find it hard to believe they would've stripped out the DVD-ROM from their design just to replace it with a different type of disc. If anyone can find sources of course that would be nice. --Twile 01:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
How about that fact that you have to license the DVD technology from the DVD Forum? Besides, the discs the Wii uses can hold the same amount of data as DVDs, but the Wii discs won't be as easy to pirate as DVDs (which is the reason I am assuming Nintendo chose to use a propriety disc). Once again though, a Wii disc CAN hold as much data as a PS2/Xbox/XBX360 disc. TJ Spyke 01:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Reference in South Park

Should it be mentioned that in one episode of South Park, Cartman is frozen in ice for over 500 years and when he is unfrozen, the first thing he demands to see is his Nintendo Wii but is told that the people of the year 2500 don't play video games? // Sasuke-kun27 03:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we could just mention that it was obscurely mentioned in South Park under "Wii in popular culture." Which doesn't exist...--the ninth bright shiner talk 03:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know. There was somethong like that for the DS page, and it got extremely long. Handhelds get more mainstream attention though, so maybe. TJ Spyke 03:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Cartman's whole plot in that episode was around him not being patient enough for the Wii and it is even a multi-parter. With that said, the PSP article doesn't mention the South Park episode it got so I dunno... --Sonic Mew 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I cant see any problems with putting it up, just a small bit like the ninth bright shiner said. --Naota10
Where exactly would this fit within the Wii article? Just64helpin 23:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Sure add a "Wii in popular culture", its not a handheld, even though its unique controller could prove otherwise. A "Trivia" section is certainly not the answer and is not recommended. FullMetal Falcon 01:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It is just a reference. As a matter of a fact, I referenced the "Wii" just this morning in a conversation. I don't need to add it to this article. Rubbicub 02:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

We're talking about Wii references in Popular Culture here, not our personal lives. There's a difference. // Sasuke-kun27 02:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A brief mention on South Park does not elevate anything to "popular culture" status. This passing reference is completely irrelevant to the Wii article. It is, in fact, the antithesis of usable knowledge. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Brif mention"? It was the focus of the entire episode! Since it is at least a 2 part epsiode, that means its going to be the focus of next weeks episode as well. TJ Spyke 03:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Appearance in two South Park episodes (out of 150+) is indeed a brief mention. The choice of Wii for a gaming console was arbitrary, there is no great significance or meaning. In several years no one will care, or even remember, that Wii made an appearance in South Park. These "references in popular culture" sections are nothing but trivia dumps bereft of real content. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that this should be added because it was a main part of this episode, not just a brief mention. There may or may not be future references like this, but I think it is ideal for a section titled "Wii in Popculture" or something of that nature. And there are many wikis with pop culture refereces, so I dont see why this one shouldnt. Saran81kid91 03:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It's rather obvious that those who are saying it shouldn't be added because it was only a brief reference didn't actually watch the episode, otherwise they'd know better; if they did watch it, they weren't paying very close attention. Anyway, considering it was part of the primary plot of a TWO-part show (that means an hour-long episode of South Park revolving around the Wii), it should definitely at least be added somewhere, not necessarily its own section, but somewhere within the article. --pIrish 03:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Even if the creators of South Park were to rename those episodes to "The Wii Happy Funtime Hour", referencing them would be of dubious usefulness. This reference does not actually tell you anything about the Wii console, it only provides trivial information about the South Park episodes themselves. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It does not need to be mentioned. In the article for those particular episodes, of course. But it is just a plot in a cartoon. Nothing huge. Rubbicub 03:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I Think It should be referenced on the Page since the Wii played an Important role in the episode, Take a look at the DS's page they have a reference to pop culture so why can' this page? Dctcool 4th November
The DS page doesn't set the standards. All I am saying is that in my opinion, Just making a cartoon about the Wii does not gain you free publicity on possibly the most hottest wiki page this year. Rubbicub 04:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Other pages have "References in Pop culture" sections, Wikipedia is about providing information to people, but you clearly trying to withold information, Gameboy has one, PSP has one, DS has one, 360 has one,—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dctcool (talkcontribs)
You just added those right now. Not a single one of those articles have a formal consensus to have such a section. Not that it necessarily dictates what is to be done on this article anyway. WP:POINT may even be applicable here. Dancter 05:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
@ Dctcool:I am not with-holding anything. People do not "need" to know that a cartoon was made about the "Wii". It is not Encyclopedia material. If you want to add it, Then you add it. Go Ahead. If you don't want to do what you are standing up for, Then stop convicting me of "with-holding" information! I will not comment any further. Rubbicub 05:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Guys, guys! Take this over to the debate table. Disputed Talk is now Open.Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

We should only turn to voting as a last resort. While others may disagree, and like the easy, straightforward process, I think most of the recent votes have been either premature or unnecessary. Dancter 15:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


Near the beginning of the seond paragraph, it says "The key difference between the Wii console and its competition is its wireless controller, the Wii Remote...". What does its competition mean? Maybe it should be its competitors? (Referring to other consoles) --ExterayT.C 03:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo does not even say that the PS3 and XBOX360 are its competition (competition relates to the 360 and PS3. Competitors relate to Microsoft and Sony). However, we know they are, and what you just said is exactly the same thing, less a small unnecessary grammar change. It's fine the way it is. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 04:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
It reads more like a declaration of war than anything else. Just64helpin 18:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, to get literal, they aren't necessarily allies in this fight for a gaming monopoly. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 21:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing Categories

Editing Categories

The Following sections are under edit: None
When adding opinions, please use the bold headers "support'" or "oppose" if making a point. Please follow this up with why you chose your specific choice.
If you have a comment or question, use the bold terms "comment" and "question" where applicable.


After the Unanimous Support on cutting/shortening the Features: Wii Channels section of the Wii article, I have come up with this short yet informative paragraph. Please talk with me about this paragraph.

Result: Unanimous Support
  • Support, Looks alright. TJ Spyke 00:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, Wikipedia works so sloooowly.--Signor 01:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Question, This is an incredibly confusing talk section. Are we voting on the addition of a new section to the article? If so, then why? Just be bold and add it.
Since the text is up for a review, here's a copyedit:
The Wii graphical user interface comprises a selection of channels layed out on a grid. Users gesture with the Wii remote to select individual channels from the grid menu. There are eight primary channels: "Disc Channel", "Mii Channel", "News Channel", "Forecast Channel", "Photo Channel", "Wii Shop Channel", "Internet Channel", and "Virtual Console Channel". ˉˉanetode╦╩ 02:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply, No, we are voting on reducing the various Wii Channels sections into that quote with a link to the Wii Channels page. TJ Spyke 02:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply, Ahh, ok. The pastel boxes were more distracting than informative. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Reply, lol. My appologies. I meant for the boxes to organize the execution of the information more effectively. It seems to have done the exact opposite! —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 07:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
It was a very nice effort, but such an elaborate setup is not necessary. This uncontroversial editorial change should have been implemented simply and without much fanfare. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 17:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support--Farquaadhnchmn 13:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Support For the 2nd time, yes, go for it. Duhman0009 13:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii Italy Launch

According officail site the italian data of lauch is: 7 december 2006 [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Whats a USD

Can someone tell me what a USD is because i have no idea.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

U.S. dollar-- 20:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've linked "USD" to its related article now. Just64helpin 18:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

VC Section

I think that the Virtual Console is more than just a channel and I think it should have it's own subentry in the Features section. Arkhiver 23:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

It is just a channel. Besides, there is a article for it at Virtual Console (Wii) (although others have turned it into a mess). TJ Spyke 23:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

System 3 titles are launch titles

The 2 titles I added got removed twice I think now. I don't mind information being removed but I do mind when correct information is removed as it makes the article less useful. Here is the link that I provided (but obviously did not get looked at lol) where it clearly states that they are launch titles. Thanks! :)Jimmy93211 12:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about your trouble mate, a lot a of people here shoot first and ask questions later. This is one of the many problems with Wikipedia, many users feel like the page belongs to them and will remove any editing unless we warn them first, proof or no proof. Plus I Googled for 1 minute and found another site that prooves your added titles: Duhman0009 13:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh its all cool. Its just that I posted the games as I read it on IGN, someone asked for proof, I gave it too them and then he deleted it?!?lol I thought I should post it in here so it clears the confusion. Thanks 18:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I added them back the first time. It sounds like the editor read the part at the bottom saying they would be out by the end of the year, but didn't see that 3 of them will be out for the UK launch. You did the right thing though by providing a source, too often in the past somebody has added or removed games without any proof. TJ Spyke 20:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. I checked your sources and found the System3 games on the bottom first, then I jumped to an obvious and easily assumed, though wrong, conclusion. —Shanesan (contribs) (Talk) 03:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)