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Wii

The name of the console is Wii http://revolution.nintendo.com/ 12.219.74.52 16:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Was about to update the page when i saw someone had already beaten me to it. props for the really quick action :D. DevAnubis 17:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I was actually about to move it back since Nintendo Wii looked like a vandalism move, but luckily I did a quick Google news search on it and there was a Reuter's story about it. Wii is definitely not what I was expecting as a name.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Other than the entry title, we need to revert then Revolution -> Wii changes in the entry. For instance, announcements made prior to the "Wii" newsflash should still refer to "Revolution", but announcements made afterwards refer to the "Wii". Basically, individual pieces of information should refer to whichever name showed up in the press release, interview, or new leak.
Can other editors comment on this style guide? If we don't revert it now it will be impossible to keep track of the basic timeline of news releases and rumors. People will go like, oh look, it seems the Wii had people guessing that its controllers are touchpads--when in fact the massive speculation is much earlier in history.
Asdfff 17:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Nintendo's site is currently crushed. We will have to wait until Nintendo updates all its links to update used ones (if any). -- ReyBrujo 17:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I suppose it's because no one can believe Nintendo would use such a stupid name, so they check the official site to make sure it's not a hoax. This article should mention the massively negative reaction to the name in pretty much every site and forum on the 'net! - Stormwatch 18:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that's really needed. Just because those that don't like the name are the loudest or most outspoken doesn't mean they're the majority. I personally don't mind the name, but I'm not going to go to every single Nintendo-related forum and post "OMG! I'm indifferent to teh name change!!!1!1". --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You don't think Nintendo would do something stupid? These ARE the guys who decided cartridges would beat CD's, and the N64 got royally trounced by the PS1. Nintendo has some great franchises and must be commended for a willingness to try new things in a very conservative industry. But on the whole, most of their innovative ideas have failed. It's only the few great successes that are remembered. Anyone remember the Power Glove? I'm not trying to diss them here. I honestly admire Nintendo's willingness to take huge risks. But sometimes those risks don't pay off, and Nintendo falls flat on its face with a "thud". N64 was one of those pratfalls. My guess is that "whee!" will be another. Kasreyn 05:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I feel the need to point out that the Power Glove wasn't a Nintendo product. g026r 06:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I just need to clarify that N64 didn't "get royally trounced by the PS1". 51% for PS and 40% of share market for a console that launched a year after isn't my definition of crushed. In hardware terms, the only real innovative product that flopped was Virtual Boy. GameCube wasn't an innovative console, it was just a upgrade to the N64. And micro wasn't an innovative, it was just a upgrade to the SP. -- ReyBrujo 07:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Could I suggest in a few days time we maybe add a "Critisms" section to the article including details of fans problems with the names? I've just been on the Nintendo Europe forum and there seems to be alot of pissed off people out there. SeumasS 18:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Think about it this way, if someone likes the name, would they rush out and express that on a forum? This is just normal knee-jerk reaction to a change. Everyone's trying to be the first to make a witty comment about it on forums. Don't forget, if you want to add a criticisms section it has to also be verifiable. At least Nintendo's not just sticking a number on the end unlike some other consoles. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Though I've not heard it myself, I've seen reports across forae and blogs that BBC Radio One immediately started ridiculing the name- taking the Wii, if you will- could anybody find any supporting articles for this, and is it worth mentioning as 'reaction'? Liam Plested 23:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
A quick Google search reveals no matches for "bbc radio nintendo wii" yet. -- ReyBrujo 05:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just found out that the Japanese kanji "位" (ichii) translates to "first place" and the informal pronunciation sounds quite like "wii", in addition of the word "いい" (ii) that means good and is pronounced similar to "wii". Maybe that could be another pun (other than whee and we). Please try to confirm this yourselfs. greekalien 09:33, 28 April 2006 (EEST)

It's also a homophone of Oui, which is French for yes. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 08:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I can confirm "いい" is good, but I don't know about 位. -- ReyBrujo 12:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

2 notable online polls.. joystiq.com and gamefaqs.com both have people liking the name as a small miniority, even on the Nintendo official forums people are confused and annoyed. Perhaps the initial hatred of the name could make an appearance in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.108.204 (talkcontribs) .

Im sorry, when random fanboys on forum talk about something it should be ignored and not be in a Wikipedia article but the problem is its not the people on the forums that hate it. The people work at GameSpot and IGN and other big gaming websites hate it. There are alot of big news articles that talk about it and how they hate the name, its not just forum talk anymore, so that means the back lash should mentioned in the Wikipedia Article. Look at it this way the article about Snakes On A Plane talk about people making fun its name and thats only forum talk. The Wii name is every were and people hate it. Some people like it but most people hate it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.124.224.116 (talkcontribs) .
If you're going to add anything to the article, just make sure it's verifiable. Also, please remember to sign your posts. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 15:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Copy-and-paste moves

Everyone, please be on the look-out for copy-and-paste moves like with List of Nintendo Wii games. If you find a c&p move remember to tag it with {{db-histmerge|(original name of article)}} to get the page properly merged. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Wii Vandalism

There's clearly vandalism going on throughout the article. I just made a small change.

Example:

"However" was changed to "howiiver".

I just noticed it after hearing about the name change. Mitch 18:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

82.34.99.6 (talkcontribs) is the one that did it. The user replaced all instances of "we" with "wii". Is there a way to undo this edit while keeping the other good edits? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I've put in a Request for Semiprotection until this gets sorted out at E3. Nifboy 18:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You did beat me there. I was adding some history changes to probe the current rate of vandalism. -- ReyBrujo 18:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Alas, I would have requested only for 24 hours, and then a week. Not a full month. -- ReyBrujo 18:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. I honestly don't think the rate of vandalism will slow down significantly between now and E3, though. Nifboy 18:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Nor me. But it is better to protect for 24 hours to discourage people who comes here following link announcements. I expect this weekend to be hell, but it would be easier to manage than now, with one change per minute (which makes edition impossible as your versions are always clashing with others', and you need to see if no vandalism has been inserted). -- ReyBrujo 18:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Article is now semi-protected from unregistered and new users. K1Bond007 19:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I think K1 meant to say "now" semi-protected.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Doh :( K1Bond007 19:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

-Can I say LOL. Nintendo in her page replace al things of we to wii, it isn't vandalism.--201.226.12.75 15:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Wii...no...

someone should add in this article about the bad reception it got from gamers everywhere! CNN had an article that said something about one game critic saying it was the "worst console name ever", and a online petition was made to change it back to revolution since the name wii is horrible, and in less than 30 minutes what do you get? More than 200 people in it!

Wikipedia is a place for unbiased info. If you want to include a "Criticizm about the name" section, feel free to do so, but you sholud cite relevant sources. If you just want to rant, go to a gaming forum near you. 67.177.10.78 18:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

>x<ino 18:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
so this is real? - Malomeat 18:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no need for Wikipedia to include any discussion of the name's quality at any point. Wikipedia isn't a place for forum trolls (read: anyone at Gamespot) or biased fanboys. I can't believe how shallow the gaming populous is. It's a NAME, and it's a damn good one. Any name that generates this much discussion is going to create just as much hype - period. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.49.220.19 (talkcontribs) .

I agree with 216.49.220.19. Keep the discussion away. Collect information for a criticism section, but please don't try to recruit nor bring people here to probe your point, Xino. People didn't like the Nintendo DS as it looked ugly. People didn't like DS games as they were going to be gimmicks. People didn't like Revolution as it would be underpowered. People didn't like the controller as it is different. Let me tell you the secret of life: People is never happy. -- ReyBrujo 19:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, this isn't meant for the main article. It's too POV. As dumb as I think the name is, we don't need to make the page say "LAWL TIHS NAEM IS TEH SUXX0RZ SO GO BYE TEH XBAWX 360!!!11!!!!1". Perhaps the petition could be mentioned in the external links, but we shouldn't have give this name backlash more than one sentence, if we mention it at all. And we would need to keep it completely NPOV. --71.225.64.232 20:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
The petition cannot be mentioned unless it is notable enough. -- ReyBrujo 20:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I do agree that wikipedia isn't a place for us to say if the name is good or crap, but still, the reception it got should be mentioned, and it was mostly negative...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.150.78.83 (talkcontribs) .

Perhaps we should have "reaction to the name" section where we can begin with the knee-jerk Internet forum reaction and then move onto industry, media (both game and mainstream), and person-on-the-street reactions as they trickle in? Internet gaming forums seem like far too much of a microcosm to be relevant to the Wikipedia article, but the name is so unorthodox it might be worthwhile to survey all reactions for a short paragraph, and begin with the forum reactions because that's all we'll get until tomorrow's news cycle.

I think we should wait a bit before we add a reception section; it's much too early, I think. 71.96.234.140 20:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, let's be clear. "Consumers" aren't fueling the backlash against the Wii name. The backlash is in Internet gaming forums, an important source for gauging consumer opinion but skewed in its own way towards extreme enthusiasts. "Consumers" largely don't know about it yet, since the name has been confirmed for less than twelve hours.

A good model for recording the reaction to the name would be: first, Internet forum reactions, then videgame media reactions, then mainstream media reactions, then the reaction from the masses. Wikipedia isn't here to document the ebb and flow of Internet gaming forums, but the discussion taking place on Internet boards is important insofar as in that it is the first reaction that the masses have to breaking news, and an important socialogical indicator as it represents what the enthusiastic and opinionated hard-core gamers think and are willing to share. But, it shouldn't be construed to be any more relevant than that.

And please, stop adding sentences about urine. That's inappropriate for this space, not in the sense that Wikipedia shouldn't discuss bodily functions, but it isn't something this is relevant or needs to be pointed out (in fact, it's vulgar for its own sake). I think it would be more appropriate to state that the criticism is that Nintendo is giving their console a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, rather than one that is homophonous with common slang for urine. You don't need to defile a page about a videogame console by linking it to a page about a bodily function. 209.152.48.200 21:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

So how long should we wait before including talk of the name controversy (if it amounts to more than just a loud but minor outburst?) I think there are enough people (me included) who hate the name but if the system has a good outing at E3 then people will probably adjust to the name better. On the other hand, if the name controversy gets hot enough it could change things. Lord knows I hope it does but I wouldn't want POV to slaughter Wikipedia over something superficial. --Ryuukuro 04:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It is already possible to do a very early one. I rewrote the section to something like this (before it was again modified and ultimately deleted):

There is DEFINITELY a reason for discussing the controversy of the name, especially that "wii" is pronounced exactly like "wee", which in much of the English-speaking world means "urine". If we ignore this one point, it will be much more difficult for readers to understand why there's been a particularly negative reaction to the console in many English-speaking countries so far ahead of its launch. It's not POV to mention this, because "wii" sounding like a commonly used word for "urine" is a fact and is significant in understanding the console's current (and probably future) marketing difficulties in certain regions. Coverage of the console since its name was announced has been universally negative in the UK for example, and if it fails to sell well in Britain its name could very well be a reason for that happening (for anyone who doesn't use the word "wee", imagine if they'd called it the "Pyss" and said it was pronounced "piss"). It's practically impossible to ask for a Wii in a shop in the UK without it sounding rude, which is bound to have some sort of effect on sales, which makes the fact relevant to this article.

Criticism

The name change was initially met with considerable backlash from consumers – as noted in articles on CNN, ABC, and MTV.

However, we should first begin a collection of journalism feedback. Those three links are neutral, they just checked forums and boards around and described what was happening. So far, editors of the Gamespy, 1Up, IGN, Gamespot and 4 color rebellion had written their opinions. From them all, I believe the best source is the one from Gamespot, as they have interviewed real game analysts (yes, the ones that usually predict PS3 production costs at USD 900, PSP becoming the best selling handheld console, etc, etc). -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)



Nintendo Revolution in other articles

Click here and you will see all the pages that link to Nintendo Revolution (redirect to this article). You may want to update these pages with Nintendo Wii. Be sure to make a note in the edit summary because the name does sound wacky. --Thorpe | talk 19:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I went through that list about an hour ago and I think I at least fixed all the double redirects that were created in the page move; however, there were at least one hundred more articles that still link to Nintendo Revolution. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 20:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I took care of lots more, but for now I'm leaving the User- and Talk-pages. Do you think it's wise to not do anything about them since the User-pages are someone elses private writings, and the Talk-pages were written as comments to what was known at the time? — Scarless 04:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
There is no need to modify Talk or User pages, don't worry. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, perhaps we should edit the talk pages, but leave all content the same and have the link Nintendo Revolution redirect to Nintendo Wii? Or does the Revolution article autoredirect to Wii already?
The Revolution page already redirects to the Wii page. And it wouldn't be very clever to have other Wiki articles talking about the Revolution when it's not the Revolution anymore. Steel359 19:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Press feedback

The criticism section stated that both the gamers and press were critics, giving three links for CNN, ABC, and MTV as references. However, none had expressed an opinion, they just reproduced the general feeling about this. I have removed the links but posted them here for anyone to quickly check. If you think I was wrong, please discuss :) -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Search?

The question is: why does neither "Wii" nor "Nintendo Wii" find this page, but "Nintendo Revolution" works okay?

Works for me72.56.10.196 21:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You can also search under "Nintendo 2006" (General JellyJiggler)

Not "Nintendo Wii", but "Wii".

The official full name of the 'cube has been the "Nintendo GameCube". But, if you look at the various public statements and PR materials, it all mentions "Wii" in isolation. I'm not going to move the page now, but the proper location, and the proper way to refer to the console in this article, would be "Wii", not "Nintendo Wii", i think. Or to to quote Nintendo of America's Public Relation Manager Matt Atwood [1]:

"There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii."

So, I'd suggest that the page gets moved to Vii, if no one disagrees. --Codemonkey 21:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be right. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The page seems to have been moved back with no explanation other than promotional materials. But everything I've seen has it as just Wii, including the statement when Nintendo announced the title and the link above. What does everyone else? Jedi6-(need help?) 00:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted the move. If anyone has serious objections to "Wii", instead of "Nintendo Wii", he should be able to argue his case here first. Looking at the press release [2] (I've a press login, not sure if you can read it without one), everything there is "Wii" without the "Nintendo" there too, including the logo. --Codemonkey 00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Or so I did, but someone moved it back again... grumble. I'll move it back again. --Codemonkey 00:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
In that case, someone needs to get a new picture of the Wii logo, minus the Nintendo. I don't ever recall seeing a Wii logo with Nintendo above it anyway.--buckeyes1186 04:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Buckeyes about removing the Nintendo from the Wii logo in the article. Dionyseus 04:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I just mocked up a new logo. (Took the old one, removed Nintendo logo, recentered.) ih8evilstuff 04:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree that is should be Nintendo Wii. if you look at it, it started with the Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Nintendo 64, then the Nintendo Gamecube (or Gamecube Nintendo in some places), so lets keep it going with Nintendo being in the name.DivineShadow218 08:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW... all the Nintendo consle pages on Wiki all have Nintendo in the title... Every one even the NINTENDO Gamecube, so I think this page should be intitled Nintendo Wii.DivineShadow218 08:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
What the hell? I had already uploaded a clean version of Nintendo's official logo for Wii. No need to edit of change anything, it came straight from Nintendo's official press section from their website. Laurent 14:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The difference is that the Gamecube is called the "Nintendo Gamecube" by Nintendo. Nintendo have specifically stated that it is not the Nintendo Wii, but just Wii. In the same way, the article on Xbox is at Xbox, not Microsoft Xbox. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 08:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

they are talking about the name of the consle... the code name was Revolution, but people still called it the Nintendo Revolution. Same thing with the Dolphin... it was a code name... but turned out to be the Gamecube. Just the fact that 'Wii' is a product from Nintendo, I still think the article should be title Nintendo Wii, just like every other nintendo consle page on Wiki. Just read this artile on Punch Jump http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=2361, Everyone is starting to call it the Nintendo Wii.DivineShadow218 09:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
here are some more articles callin it Nintendo Wii, http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/4/27-58, http://www.revolutionreport.com/index.php?act=articles&code=read&id=409, http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/27/nintendo-wii-the-revolution-gets-a-real-name/, http://www.cubed3.com/news/4994, http://www.edmontonsun.com/Entertainment/Weekend/2006/04/28/1554796-sun.html, http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/2006/04/wii_the_revolution_volte_face.php, http://www.fragland.net/news.php?id=13400, http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/703/703669p1.html. How meny more sources do you want that call it the Nintendo Wii?? DivineShadow218 09:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I would completely agree with you DivineShadow except for the fact that Nintendo explicitly stated that the console is not Nintendo Wii, but simply Wii. Nintendo has never done this with any of their other consoles. Give it some time, if in a few weeks people have overridden Nintendo's high expectations by prefacing Wii with Nintendo, then I agree the article should change its name to the common reference. However, right now, official Nintendo reports have precedence over any forums or third-party naming conventions (less the article be titled Nintendo Weewee or something like I have seen all over the place). Zebov 09:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I some what agree with you Zebov... they explicedly said no to the Revolution and and the new name being Wii... they did not disclose anything about Nintendo Wii... Just Revolution. DivineShadow218 20:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Page Move

I have blocked the ability to move this page because of the back and forth moving between Wii and Nintendo Wii. If you want the paged moved please use the talk page first. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It should stay as Nintendo Wii. All other consoles go by the company name then the console name. Wii is no different. IceDrake523 02:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Not all other consoles, e.g. see PlayStation. And if you want to get Nintendo specific, Nintendo made their name explicitly part of all their previous console names. Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Enternainment System, Nintendo 64, and Nintendo GameCube. They still, even in the Wii press release, consistently refer to the 'cube as "Nintendo GameCube". They did not do this for the Wii, implicitly or explicitly. If it was called the "Nintendo Wii" they would refer to it as such, like they do with "Nintendo GameCube". They don't. And in fact, they have explicitly said that "There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii" [3]. --Codemonkey 02:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree that is should be Nintendo Wii. if you look at it, it started with the Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Nintendo 64, then the Nintendo Gamecube (or Gamecube Nintendo in some places), so lets keep it going with Nintendo being in the name. DivineShadow218 07:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
All the console names you cited have "Nintendo" officially included as part of the console name. This is not so for "Wii". Nintendo has decided to break with their own trend to include their name in their consoles' names. Saying that they did include "Nintendo" in all four past consoles doesn't make it any less true that they've decided to stop doing this for their fifth one. --Codemonkey 10:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
From this interview, it is clear that the name is Wii, without Nintendo tag. Quoted:
Atwood: What I like about it is, it’s not about abbreviating anything.
There will be no abbreviation needed. There is no Nintendo Wii. 
It’s just Wii.  It’s a very inclusive name in that respect.
--RockyMM 16:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Italic text==A simple explanation== This is what happens when executives are all sitting in the board room, and no one has the guts to say "Sir, that is a terrible idea." Liu Bei 03:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this mentioned in the article yet? Jedi6-(need help?) 04:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
No, we of course need more information on what went on behind the scenes of this decision before it would be sensible to speculate. If my supposition is valid, then linking it to other well-known instances of groupthink may be prudent. (For example, New Coke) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liu Bei (talkcontribs) .
Jedi's question isn't about your comment, it looks like you copied and pasted it there yourself. See below, the exact same comment with the exact same timestamp, but there Jedi is asking if the Japanese origin of the name is in the article yet. I believe that was Jedi's original comment, not the above one. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 14:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
If it were a board member's decision, people would say "individual eccentric". If it were a joint decision, people would say "this is what happens when you make decisions by committee"... Ashibaka tock 03:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Since Nintendo comes from Japan, they realized something very few others did: Revolution (レボリューション, reboryōshon) is not easy to pronounce in Japanese. Wii, on the contrary, is universally easy to remember. As it is said in Game|Life (which also states about the Revolution being a hard name for Japanese): Is it a homophone for a British slang word that means "urine"? Yes. But so is the first-person plural pronoun. If I said, "What are we doing tonight," would you repeat back to me, "What are wee doing tonight? Huh? Huh? Get it?" I would wonder what the hell your problem is, quite frankly. Oh, well. -- ReyBrujo 03:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this mentioned in the article yet? Jedi6-(need help?) 04:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
So far, no. While Chris Kohler is a notable journalist (he was invited [4] to test the Wii controller at a private event in US) and (seemly) has a very good knowledge about japanese [5], it is just his personal opinion posted in a blog, which is another of my weakest points in Wikipedia. -- ReyBrujo 04:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
The difference being, of course, that the homophone "Wii" is a proper noun, which makes it in the minds of the immature, a closer approximation to the common noun "wee" (as in urinate) than the pronoun "we". I notice no-one is associating it with the Scottish "wee" as in small, though. Rockpocket (talk) 19:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
This isn't particularly encyclopedic, but the first association my wife came up with when I told her about the name was "wee" as in small. My first association was the exclamatory "whee!" When all is said and done, I expect the urine jokes to relegate themselves to the anti-Nintendo set. Dayv 03:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps people will stop making urine jokes in time, but that's hardly a rousing justification for a name that may sound great in Japanese (and french) but is really not doing one single positive thing for the product English. What, pray tell, was wrong with the Nintendo/Famicom divide back in the 90s? Trying to launch a major system with the same name in every international market is hard enough; trying to do it with a one syllable name is completely insane. If Revolution is hard to say in Japanese, they should call it Wii in Japan, where it doesn't signify piss, small stature, and unassertive, democratic sissificaton. Lee Bailey 05:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
A secret: "slang" or 133t speakers are the minority. Gamers in the world are the minority. So, they call it Wii, and lose the hardcore gamers? That is pretty well, after all the hardcore are probably less than 10% of the computer users in the world. They aren't aiming at that core, so as the link I posted speculated, if they need to lose the hardcore sector in order to gain the casual gamers, they will happily do it. If original research were allowed in Wikipedia, I would speculate they are forcing the hardcore gamers to stay away. After all, those who complain about Wii are people who use slang regularly, likely the same ones who will post in boards that Wii graphics are of the SNES era, that they want a common controller, etc, etc, etc. In a week, with E3 here, nobody will care about the name. -- ReyBrujo 07:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I wish independant research was allowed, just so I could hear your argument. I appreciate that Nintendo is looking to attract the nontraditional gamers with this product, but I fail to see how intentionally pushing away any market makes sense... In fact, I'm concerned that Nintendo and seems so focused of who isn't their target market, they seem to have given no forgotten to figure out who their market is. Beyond that, it may only be the leet-speaking fanboys that are trashing the system online as we speak, but it seems pretty obvious that's because they're the only people who presently care. If Nintendo sees an advantage in intentionally pissing off their base, maybe they should wait until after launch, considering that these are the people who are going to rush out and buy the thing the day it's made available. If they don't, the general stench of failure will is likely to influence "non-traditional" gamers before they've had a chance to really consider the idea of buying a console.Lee Bailey 12:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Please Remember

The purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the article in question. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play. Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. If any discussion about the topic and not the article it will be removed. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

My apologies Zebov 09:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Removing "the" prefix?

It's hard to give that a fitting title, but my query is this: Because of how the system is named, would it make more sense to refer to it as "The Wii" or just "Wii"? It feels more natural to me to call the system "Wii" rather than add "the" in front of it each time. Is that just a wierd quirk with me and "the Wii" remains accurate or would it be ok to just call the system "Wii"? An example:

Under Confirmed Hardware: Design: "Wii is the smallest stationary console Nintendo has ever manufactured, described by Nintendo as being "about the thickness of three standard DVD cases and only slightly longer"."

While under the heading just below it says under the "Controller" heading: "The Wii controller sets aside the traditional controller seen in other mainstream consoles in an attempt to appeal to a larger audience."

I think there should be some consitency. Thoughts? --Ritz 07:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what Nintendo says, but other articles use "The" (The Playstation, The Xbox, The DS). Incidently, your second example should have a "The" anyway, since it refers to "the "Wii Controller"", not ""The Wii" controller". smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 08:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the The... whould not be removed... we are talking about the consle... you wouldnt say 'Consles controller...' but 'The consles controller...'DivineShadow218 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Locked Page

Why dont we keep this page locked for a wee so once E3 comes around, people can edit oncemore. DivineShadow218 07:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

24 hours first, check if the vandalism continues, and lock it again if so. That is usually what is done. -- ReyBrujo 12:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Added two analysts opinion on the name

I just added two analysts opinion on the name of Wii which comes from the GameSpot article (Reference #7 in the Reference list) which supports the view of many people that the name is "stupid," one analyst has even stated that the renaming of Revolution to Wii is a "bad stupid move" for Nintendo and argued that Nintendo should've kept Revolution because it's a "evocative, well-accepted name that people have been using for well over a year." KSweeley 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Who cares what some noname web critics have to say? Critics have canned all sorts of innovations such as the graphics in Windwaker, the audience for Nintendogs and the extra screen on the DS. I'm more interested in the gameplay than whether it is called wii or bum or whatever. A rose by any other name... Garglebutt / (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Name section

This section seems to have gotten very long, and many of the 'facts' are untrue (the syllable "We" is perfectly pronouncable in Japanese as ウェ (We) and ウィ (Wi) are syllables in Katakana, and the Japanese Wikipedia uses ウィー (Wii) as an acceptable transliteration), and it reads like a rant ("Many claim that this “stupid” name will be detrimental to Nintendo’s sales"). Most of this needs to go. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 08:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name

Is it absolutely necessary to have a link to intercourse in the first section of an article about a game console? In fact the whole passage about fad names makes little sense in the article. Needs rewriting if not deletion. --Richmeister 11:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name section...

Some people, including some who dislike the name, point out that fads often have strange, even ridiculous sounding names. The main example is the iPod, which endured harsh criticism when it was first released, but nowadays few people give its name a second thought. Two examples which are less often pointed to, but are worth mentioning, are those of Jazz and Rock N’ Roll. Both of these, despite the fact they were originally slang terms referring to the act of intercourse, are now central aspects to American culture.

That doesnt really need to be there... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.165.41.189 (talkcontribs) .


Industry Critisism of name change

IGN.com flatly told Nintendo of the dissapproval of the name change in an interview here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ben414 (talkcontribs) .

So what? IGN is not the gaming industry. It's the gaming journalism industry. There's a difference. That's like saying Rolling Stone is part of the music industry or Access Hollywood is part of the film industry. They simply cover the industries, they are not part of them. Intricately linked? Yes. An actual part of? No.--24.55.245.140 04:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Citation is Misleading

Under the "Name" heading, source [2] is cited as saying that the reaction from gamers is generally negative and that Nintendo is aggressively pursuing a non-gamer or casual-gamer market. However, upon reading the article, it seems that the author is trying to defend the new name Wii. If we want to point out criticism by citing others, shouldn't it be from a source that echos this sentiment?

The article wasn't what was being pointed to, it was the responses to the article that were mainly negative.J.L.Main

Wii or Nintendo Wii?

Should it be called Nintendo Wii, or just Wii? Let's not forget, whatever the Big N called it (N5, Revolution, whatever!), it will forever go down in history as a "Nintendo". NP Chilla 20:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo has intentionally called it Wii, not Nintendo Wii. Dionyseus 20:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
you cant prove that, not yet atleast DivineShadow218 22:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Its already been proven, [6]: If you read that they specifically say that it is just Wii, not Nintendo Wii. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
That is an unrliable site just like IGN is with the Specs. DivineShadow218 22:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Its an interview with a Nintendo Rep. himself. Also Nintendo has stated it to other websites and their promotional material supports it being Wii. This isn't a rumor, its fact. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
How can you be so sure.... There have ben 'Reps' before and they were wrong. DivineShadow218 22:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
DivineShadow, when you find proof that it's not called Wii, but rather Nintendo Wii, let us know. Dionyseus 22:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I did... se my post with the hand full of sites. DivineShadow218 22:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
None of the links you gave had any evidence other then the site calling it that. Meanwhile the link I showed has a Nintendo Rep. specifically calling it Wii. Small system sites versus a Nintendo Representive? Its really no contest, the Rep. should be taken as the official source. Jedi6-(need help?) 23:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Thats what I am saying... you cant prove that its a rep. Read my post about it. DivineShadow218 23:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Have you read the Reps comment. "Atwood: What I like about it is, it’s not about abbreviating anything. There will be no abbreviation needed. There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii. It’s a very inclusive name in that respect. Also we know he is a Rep because that is his job. Jedi6-(need help?) 23:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

so then we should also belive all of SeriousGamers Rep interviews too then???DivineShadow218 00:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Are you saying Game Informer is not trustworthy? Ashibaka tock 00:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, And besides... http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,54237/ This is Matt Atwood, The Developer.... he is not a rep. DivineShadow218 00:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Read that page closely. Look at what position he's listed as holding on the games linked to. Ashibaka tock 00:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes... no were on that bio page states that he is a Rep from nintendo. He just had his hand in many Muliplatform games. DivineShadow218 01:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Read the page closely. He is not a developer. Ashibaka tock 02:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Did YOU read it CLOSELYDivineShadow218 03:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Matt Atwoods is a public relations manager, in other words he's a rep. Dionyseus 04:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I am for keeping it "Wii" but wanted to note that www.nintendowii.com is registered to NoA, whereas www.wii.com is registered to a company in Oregon. Coreycubed 05:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Other other sites have also called him NoA's PR director: [7]. g026r 05:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
He is Part of public relations but not of Nintendo, but of capcom. What this means is that if Nintendo has specifically told him the explanation on the name, and since he explained the meaning of it, he would get fired. Now, I have proof that Matt's explanation is just pure speculation.
  • First, he is part of the PR department of Capcom LTD., now was I just living under a rock when Nintendo Bought Capcom, b/c if Capsom isn't part of Nintendo, Matt has no legel rights to say what he said if its true. On that note, Since Capcom is not part of Nintendo, Matt's OPINION on the name is pure speculation from video and text releases from Nintendo.
  • Secondly, IGN did interview with Matt awhile back about the controller, same deal here, PURE SPECULATION and as you can see, he did not get fired from his statements to IGN.
  • Thirdly, why would he risk his job like 10 days before Nintendo would explain the name.
  • Fourthly,HE IS NOT PART AF NINTENDO, NINTENDO ON COMMENTING ABOUT THE NAME REVOLUTION STATED, JUST WII, AS IF PEOPLE MIGHT EXPECT A LONGER NAME.
  • Fifthly, THE NINTENDO WII IS A NINTENDO PRODUCT, WHY WOULDN'T NINTENDO WANT THEIR NAME ON THIS NEW CONSOLE WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY ON EVERY OTHER CONSOLE.
  • Sixthly, why would nintendo register www.NintendoWii.com if Nintendo Wii wasn't its name. If nintendos site for it is www.NINTENDOWII.com then the article title should be Nintendo Wii. DivineShadow218 10:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
1: He worked for Capcom once, true. But as far as I know, he has changed jobs, and now works for NoA PR. Do you have any evidence to contrary? All interviews with him in the past few days cite him as working at NoA PR. Are you implying that all these press outlets are lying, or have been hoaxed by mr. Atwood? 2: Why wouldn't Nintendo call it the "Nintendo Wii" in their press release, or other PR materials, but the "Wii"? Just to confuse us? They are very careful to do so with the "Nintendo GameCube", to avoid any ambiguities as to its full, and official name. 3: Please don't use all caps. It reads like someone is shouting, which is generally considered impolite. --Codemonkey 11:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I am not saying that the Press ie. GameInformer.com is lying, just that thy are unreliable. Game informer is not one of them that I trust, Neather is IGN or Gamespot, or any site under affilation with cnet. I do trust the CNN and Nintendo sites... thats about it. If there is a link to other sites one Nintendo.com to interviews, then yes, I will trust that particular interview. And about the press release... wy dont you show us it.DivineShadow218 14:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
We are talking about an interview with an official Nintendo of America PR spokesperson. Not some 'we learned from our inside sources that...' type rumour. For not just one, but multiple news outlets, getting this man's job incorect, well, how can you brush that evidence off as 'they are simply unerliable'? I am afraid that in these cases, especially on such simple statements as saying whether or not the person who is interviewed is speaking for Nintendo, they are reliable. The press release also consistently refers to the console as "Wii", rather than "Nintendo Wii". Since you asked, you can find it here [8], but I have a press login, and I don't know if you can read it without one. It's largely similar to the text on their Wii promo site [9] though, which also consistently uses "Wii", rather than "Nintendo Wii". The press release is useful however to demonstrate that, for names that do include the word "Nintendo", they are very careful to use the full name every time to avoid ambiguities when referring to the console, i.e. they consistently use "Nintendo GameCube" in this press release, and in other PR materials, but they consistently use "Wii". Honestly, I'm a bit baffled that people are arguing this, and are even dismissing interviews with Nintendo spokespeople as unreliable on Nintendo. --Codemonkey 15:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Also remember, just because Nintendo put their name on consoles in the past doesn't mean they always will. Look at the PlayStation, its official name is PlayStation not Sony PlayStation.Jedi6-(need help?) 16:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
On point 6.: Because wii.com is already registered. It's the same as when movie studios use http://www.filmname-thefilm.com or some other variant for their movie sites. By this argument, the entry for The Omen (2006 film) would be moved to Heed the Omen because that's what the official studio website uses as a domain name. g026r 16:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Fine... Well I resever my right to disbelive in your so called Relaiable sites say. I have my one relaiable sites. We shall see in 10 days and if in the press confrence they say The Nintendo Wii... or another name if Wii is just a joke. Then it surly will be changed quickly. DivineShadow218 18:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
DivineShadow, I suggest you calm down a little bit. Most of the people that have been talking to you have been very reasonable in taking your position into account. Whether you are correct or they are will be certain in short time and I would hate for either side to lose respect over such a simple issue. Perhaps Nintendo has named it Nintendo Wii but have left off "Nintendo" in their press releases and "Matt" has been mis-represented. However, the burden of proof lies on proving the press releases were missing "Nintendo" and Matt is not a Nintendo rep, not the other way around. No one here is going to argue against you if indeed it is discovered that Nintendo's official name for the system is Nintendo Wii. However, it is up to you as to how people perceive you if that were the case: a stubborn instigator or a concerned editor. I don't mean any offense by this comment, so please don't take it that way; I just want you to be respected through this issue, no matter what the results. Zebov 04:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I was just stating my case thats all. I will wait a mear 9 days. I did not chage that article to my liking, so yes I ame conserd as well as trying to find a common ground, Unlike the unsigned post below me.DivineShadow218 09:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Seventhly... If the Nintendo corporation decides it is called "Wii" and not "Nintendo Wii", THEN IT IS CALLED "Wii" AND NOT "Nintendo Wii". Live with it.

Wii Rumors

I think it should be noted that there is plausible rumor that the rename to Wii could be a marketing ploy by Nintendo and may not actually be the real name.

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=325 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.164.227.240 (talkcontribs) April 29.

That rumor isn't plausible at all. Read this: [10]

and also read the IGN article where another Nintendo rep pretty much says you'll have to live with the new name whether you like it or not [11]. Dionyseus 00:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm curious about your reversion of the inclusion of the Snark Hunting blog speculation. It's clear you don't believe the rumor is credible, but there are those who disagree with you. I've heard many such rumors myself already. I would say the speculation is notable enough that as long as we provide an outside source, it's worth including. For instance, the failure to register the name as a trademark, the lack of a wii.nintendo.com domain, the failure of Nintendo to get their hands on certain critical wii domain names... I mean, I personally don't believe it's a hoax, because in my opinion, Nintendo really is dumb enough to do this for real. But I can definitely see how people might think so. I'm all for including (sourced, of course) a note on the rumors about the name. Kasreyn 08:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not completely implausible, just unlikely. Considering how many marketing rules this name breaks in three little letters, the impulse to say "there has to be another explantion" is pretty strong. Yes, Nintendo says they've filed for the trademark, but even if it's still being processed-- doesn't really answer the question of why they'd wait till the very last second to file. Ordinarilly, wouldn't you expect a company of Nintendo's size to have trademarked multiple possible product names *well* in advance of deciding which one to actually use? Even under an alias, if necessary? The uncerimonious annoucement just a few weeks before E3 is strange too. If not for the trademark, and not for E3, what were they waiting for?

It might simply be the case of Nintendo wanting the initial shock and negative reaction to happen now and not during E3 itself where it could have overshadow everything else. This would give people time to get used to the name.

It's interesting that although Nintendo doesn't have any trademarks for Wii, the logo is clearly marked "TM". smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 12:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
You don't have to register it to put "TM" next to the name. The "TM" just indicates that you're claiming the name as a trademark, kind of like how you can use the copyright symbol to claim copyright even if you haven't registered it. You'd use ® to indicate a registered trademark. - furrykef (Talk at me) 01:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

http://revolution.nintendo.com says it all. Havok (T/C) 13:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I do find in quite funny that there is no Wii tab on the american nintendo Site, its still the revolution tab. That is another thing that is getting to me, usally big companies chaged these thigs quickly. I mean look at how fast Revolution was replased with Wii on Wiki... Shouldnt nintendo have atleast done the same by now???DivineShadow218 09:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

"Vulgar" Connotations of Wii

And please, stop adding sentences about urine... it isn't something this is relevant or needs to be pointed out (in fact, it's vulgar for its own sake). I think it would be more appropriate to state that the criticism is that Nintendo is giving their console a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, rather than one that is homophonous with common slang for urine. You don't need to defile a page about a videogame console by linking it to a page about a bodily function.

I beg to differ. If Nintendo actually launches a multi-million dollar product with a name associated with urine in the english language, that fact certainly merits inclusion this encyclopedia -- if only because the decision deviates so dramatically from prevailing marketing wisdom. A year from now, when we know whether the Wii was a success or a flop, the different connotations of its unusual name, and the role that played in marketing the system, will be very relevant. Just the mention or urine in no way "defiles" the page, and relevant information shouldn't be tossed out just because some users find it distasteful.--Lee Bailey 01:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, it is definitely a very interesting marketing decision. However, the observation should be attributed to a notable source.--Eloquence* 01:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Certainly, Eloquence. Of course, I don't have one at this exact moment, I just felt inclined to argue against the (silly) notion that properly cited NPOV additions need to be held to a higher standard of relevance simply because they refer to bodilly functions. Although it's only a matter of time before respectable gaming publications start to remark on this, IMHO. Lee Bailey 02:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree. However, there is no need to wikify urine, penis or whatever it means in slang, as the user is not likely to click on those terms (wikify only according to context). -- ReyBrujo 06:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

That would be "Piss" you are refering to, there is nothing about "Wii" in the english language. Besides, Nintendo has stated their intention and reason for the name. No need to inform the public that this might be confused with "piss". Irrelevant and childish. Havok (T/C) 13:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

See wikt:wee for connotations. It's absolutely legitimate to include these, especially if all the positive connotations are listed.--Eloquence* 14:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Apparently, wikt:wii means fire in the Gamilaraay language. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 15:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
It's certainly started one here on the intraweb. Keep suggesting that Nintendo picked a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, then follow up by drawing childish and ridiculous connections, and you've pretty much made yourself look as childish and ridiculous as possible. There is no need to push it any further. (Momus 16:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC))
Like I have stated, there is no need for this "childish" connection. It adds nothing to the article, and only ends with flamewars from both sides of the pond. Havok (T/C) 08:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I think we'll see how the name is addressed by the media and public in the next month or two, but from the look of PC Format's Blog I think the name will be noticed and laughed at notably in Britain! Whistler 19:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
UK is a hostile place for Nintendo. Their consoles had never really gone extremely well. So, it is possible that even with a cool name, Nintendo would be hard pressed selling there, as in US. -- ReyBrujo 20:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced Nintendo claims presented as fact

I am referring to:

the console's controller can detect its exact location and orientation in 3D space

This is certainly how the console is advertised, but many have expressed skepticism over its implementation. "Exact" location seems like an endorsement of the view that the controller works exactly as advertised, which to me requires some sort of sourcing. Wikipedia isn't here to be an unpaid advertising arm of the Nintendo company, no matter how wonderful their games are. Kasreyn 03:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it should say "approximate" instead of "exact"? Dionyseus 04:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Or drop it altogether in favor of just "its location." Coreycubed 05:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Since the console hasn't been demonstrated publicly yet, there's simply no valid reason to doubt Nintendo's claim. There's no need for citation, when the only available citation at the moment is Nintendo's advertising. Druff 06:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted

That many groups have actually started petitions for the name to be changed back to 'Revolution' in response to Nintendo's annoucement. --69.145.122.209 05:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find that that's not true. Such petitions would have to be notable first. --Maxamegalon2000 05:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
It is true. The petitions are not exactly big, but there are many, many of them. --69.145.122.209 05:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
It is quite possible. However, as Maxamegalon2000 stated (and as I did previously somewhere else around here), the petitions must be notable (usually with around 10,000 signatures). It is quite possible that we will begin to see several of these petitions being introduced in the external links to increase their numbers, so be wary around. -- ReyBrujo 06:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
There's petitions on the web for virtually everything to do with the Wii; petitions to make it high-def, synchronous global releases, increased specs etc. Nothing makes the name petitions any more notable. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 15:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I suppose. I just noticed that these petitions in particular had been mentioned on IGN, which I typically trust as legit.--69.145.122.209 19:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Remember to always provide a link to where the information is kept, so that we can verify it. -- ReyBrujo 20:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Bah. I wasn't aware they aren't taken as credible unless there's 10,000+ siginatures. I s'pose I'll have to remember that. --69.145.122.209 20:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Anybody, anywhere, can start a petition for anything. In five minutes I could write a petition stating that I don't think cheese should be considered a dairy product by the government. I could put it on a message board somewhere. Would you put that in Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.15.49.150 (talkcontribs) .

IPA transcription

the IPA transcription is erroneously enclosed in both square brackets and slashes - it should be either one or the other, not both. Square brackets indicate pure phonetic transcription, slashes indicate phonological transcription. I reccomend removing the square brackets, for the simple reason that the ii in wii will probably be pronounced as [ii] not [i:] in at least one territory (Japan). A phonological transcription of /i:/ would cover both of those. --Krsont 06:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

My bad. I know nothing about IPA, I just copied the IPA format from the Wikipedia article. I didn't know the square brackets symbolised anything. Wow, you learn something new every day. :P --Mvent2 07:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia has a template for IPA information. See Template:IPA and update it accordingly (or I would do it, and know that I know nothing about it ;)). -- ReyBrujo 19:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Fixed with proper IPA Template. --Shadow demon 23:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

This article failed the GA nomination because there is currently and NPOV dispute going on. Tarret 13:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Wee

If you are going to mention what 'Wii' sounds like, and consequently means, in other languages, then mention 'wee', an colloquial word in English used in the UK as a way to refer to 'urine'. That is where a lot of criticism is coming from in British circles.

Wii as an example of a meme

Perhaps it should be noted that Wii is a good example of a Meme. It's almost exactly like the "All your base" phenomenon of 2001 and 2002. The very concept has spread across the Internet like wildfire. There isn't a single gaming forum that isn't talking about it. Wolf ODonnell 14:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page Vandalism

User User:85.225.5.222 wiped the talk page and replaced it with the following text:

REVOLUTION WAS THE BEST SYSTEM EVER. NINTENDO RUINED IT BY RENAMING IT WII. BUY A PS3 INSTEAD.

I reverted it, obviously.Mitch 15:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed and as a result, my comment was deleted. Thank you for reverting it though. Wolf ODonnell 15:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

POV tag

I've removed the POV tag since there is no feedback here as to how the article lacks POV.

I wish people would stop bitching about the name. This is an encyclopedia; a brief comment on how the name change caused some controversy in the media when it was first announced is about all the air play it deserves. Has anyone seriously changed their mind about the merits of the console due to its name? Personally I was a little taken aback by the name for about 30 seconds and then I was intrigued about Nintendo's explanation of what the term represented and what that means for the intended audience for the console. Garglebutt / (talk) 15:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

This article doesn't seem to violate POV, though I think its far from being a good article Jedi6-(need help?) 16:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Nunchuck Unit Info

IGN Wii has a new interview about the recently announced Madden Wii.

On page 2 of this interview, it is confirmed that the Nunchuck attachment unit contains its own motion sensing accelerometer unit, adding a new level of functionality to the controller. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.245.244.228 (talkcontribs) .

That is a very nice finding! I think that can be included, since it is verifiable. -- ReyBrujo 18:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to say that at all really, or am I missing something.HappyVR 21:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
From the article:
GN Wii: Does you use the trigger buttons on the nunchuck unit?
John Schappert: You know, the buttons are all still being mapped out. It does use the trigger buttons right now. I don't know how much we'll have locked in for you at E3 because we are still working on the final button layout, but it does use the trigger buttons, and it does use the accelerometer in the nunchuck unit as well for juking.
There it confirms the accelerometer exists and is expected to be final (otherwise they would not be using it). -- ReyBrujo 22:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I've read that, but you've/someone inferred that there will be a motion sensor in the 'left hand device' (the analogue stick)- (from above -'contains its own motion sensing accelerometer') or from the wikitext -' the "Nunchaku" will feature an accelerometer inside of it, so it can also sense movements similarly to the remote'. Note that despite how people have interpreted it - Nintendo refered to the combination of the two control units as the nunchuk (see Iwata speach for instance) so reference to functionality inside the nunchuk could refere to either of the two control devices. Also in the interview Schappert says the analogue stick is used to move the player - he mentions motion sensing functions in responce to questions about the 'controller'.
In other words there seems to be some mixed used of the terms controller,analog stick, and nunchuk.(remember nunchuks are two rods connected by a flexible link)HappyVR 09:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


Name

I think there needs to be more to the name section. The views of the populous are central to the subject. How about two sub-topics under the name section. "Arguments for the name Wii" and "Arguments against the name Wii" What do you think?J.L.Main

Sounds good to me.:MindWraith

I'm a unregistered user and can't edit so i'll put a request here. All i simply want is for something to be mentioned on how contraversial the name change was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.214.17.233 (talkcontribs) .

The article is not protected anymore, only from moving. A controversy section is planned, in fact I have already posted one which was deleted (see above in this same page). -- ReyBrujo 21:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Remember Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View, not everyone hated the name. Jedi6-(need help?) 21:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Also remember to avoid statements that age quickly. Their may be a controversy today but we don't know what the future holds. Jedi6-(need help?) 21:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, though there may be critics today, in the coming weeks the critics may fade. I believe a simple sentence of something like "There was initial controversy over the official name," should suffice, especially if you think into the near future.Zebov 00:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed the following from the name section:

Many fans believe that Nintendo is planning to change the name of the console again at E3 but this rumor was debunked by Nintendo [12].

Rumors should be put in the rumors section. Zebov 00:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure it is a rumour? The question was answered by Nintendo of America's Public Relations Manager Matt Atwood. I would believe that is enough to use that as confirmation and not just rumour. -- ReyBrujo 01:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I meant, if people comes to read if the name is final or not, that paragraph, confirmed by Mr. Atwood, should be enough evidence to probe it is the final name of the console. The rumour section isn't really suitable for this paragraph. -- ReyBrujo 01:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I added it back since it is a debunking of a rumor, not a rumor itself. If it wasn't there people would keep adding rumors about the name being changed. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

why do people keep deleting the euphemisms of "wee?" It makes zero sense to discuss various aspects of the name, yet avoid the controversy caused by the name. Even wee includes this euphemism for urine -- how can we possibly avoid it while remaining neutral? -- dojotony 03:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Just add it back but make sure to keep it short. We don't need a huge list or article about euphemism of Wii. :-) Jedi6-(need help?) 03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the current form of the article (circa time of post) is perfect. A few variations are named in different languages, and the wiki link to 'wee' covers most of the English-specific variations. If people want to know why there's so much contraversy, one click on that link will give them a full debriefing. gspawn 14:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with this -- I just cleaned up the article because somebody wrote that wee meant defecating, feces and etc. Not only is this patently not true (and bizarre), it has no place here. Everybody just needs to agree that yes, Wii sounds like the childish term wee--the article can admit that, include a link to wee and move on to talk about other aspects of the name. It's discouraging that everybody is getting caught up over this wee little problem! dojotony 17:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The vandalism should have been reverted, the reference to urine should not. If we explicitly mention all meanings, except for the one which is causing most of the controversy, we are violating the neutral point of view policy and "Wikipedia is not censored". The "wee" connotation has clearly been commented on in multiple notable sources now, including Forbes, which had an "Eat, Sleep and Wii" joke (see cited source), so it is perfectly legitimate to point this out. Whether or not these jokes are "childish" is beside the point. However, in the interest of NPOV, it would be fair to include a response from Nintendo. I seem to recall a remark from someone who said that "you wouldn't think of wee every time you use the pronoun", however, I'm not sure if that was a Nintendo rep. (As a comment, one should note that "we" is neither a noun nor a verb, so it does not lend itself to be used in the same contexts where "Wii" can be, which can be treated as both a noun and a verb.)--Eloquence* 15:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree; while I'm not massively fond of having a link to urine in the article, it is a valid statement, and people from other countries or who may not have Commonwealth English as a first language may not get what we are trying to imply without a concrete statement. Plus, Eloquence's phrasing is very 'eloquent'. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 15:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Concurred--the only thing I'd change is that wee's connotation is not limited to British English; it's the same in American English. dojotony 18:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've updated it accordingly. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 16:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

No one I know of thought that Revolution was the official name of the console. I have removed that statement. Anyone disagree? Zebov 18:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo possibly gauging public reaction

According to Kotaku, Nintendo is gauging the response to the name revelation. This is by no means confirmed, but it is something interesting if it turns true. [13]

Of course they are gauging the reaction, the question is whether they do anything in response. Since it isn't confirmed it shouldn't be added to the article. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Quick thing

The table that is usually at the side is gone, and the top of the page is a mess [with all the code]. Don't know how to fix that so I'm putting a little tab here. (PowerGamer6 05:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC))

You revert :) Zebov 05:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)