Talk:Wiki-PR editing of Wikipedia

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New name of company[edit]

This article is about this company's activities primarily when it was operating under the name "Wiki-PR". While the Wiki-PR web site is still active, the company is operating under a new name. This begs the question: Should the infobox reflect the company as it was in 2013, or as the company is now? I've WP:BOLDly made some updates to show its current status. Please don't revert unless you are also willing to discuss (WP:BRD). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Since there is so little consensus about what this article is even about and so little participation on the discussion of what the focus of this article should be, I don't think there is any reasonable way to say one way or the other to answer your question in an intelligent manner. Keep in mind that this article was started titled simply Wiki-PR, but was then subsequently renamed. I still think it would be best to make this an article about the company itself.... regardless of what flavor of the month name they happen to call themselves at the moment. Then again any effort I've made to try and make changes to this article has been instantly reverted with article ownership, so I really don't give a damn right now... just hoping that perhaps some people with a stronger stomach than I have will actually bother paying attention. --Robert Horning (talk) 11:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • How do we know that Status Labs and Wiki-PR are the same? A Signpost contributor says they are, without explaining where that information came from. Both Web sites have a cyan-and-grey colour scheme, are published through the Wordpress software, and are privately registered with Godaddy. Are there any business filings or news stories about the new name? I searched but didn't find them. —rybec 00:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I did find a few Web pages which say Status Labs is in Austin: [1], [2], [3] and [4]. —rybec 05:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I responded there, and no one has responded to my response yet. Therefore I decided to remove it since I looked and looked and couldn't find any remotely reliable source (other than the Signpost) which says this, and the signpost article by The ed17 doesn't cite a reliable source either. Nevertheless, my edit was recently reverted by @Herostratus:, so as per WP:BRD I am coming here. To be clear, I am not sure whether it is actually true that Wiki-PR is now Status Labs. However, I don't think we should be saying that it is if the only line of evidence backing this up is something posted on Wikipedia's newsletter, which I don't consider to be reliable and which doesn't seem to have gotten much coverage in independent sources. Herostratus also contended in his edit summary that the Signpost is exempt from WP:WINARS because it isn't actually a Wikipedia article (though his ES got cut off so Im not totally sure). However, it is still written by anonymous people just the same way as anything else on Wikipedia. Jinkinson talk to me 02:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Right, OK, I asssumed that this was a case of "here's some info which is almost certainly true, but it's ref'd to an unreliable source so I'll remove it" which you do see from time to time, but IMO the correct step is to tag it for {{better source}} or whatever and wait a while, at least. However, I see that this is matter of info that is contested and which might not be true, so removing it might be in order, so I reversed myself and restored Jinkinson's edit.
As to Signpost, it's a better source than just a Wikipedia article. Unlike a Wikipedia article, it's not written by just anyone (I assume there's some kind of bar to cross to get an article in Signpost) and isn't subject to change at any time, and there may be some kind of minimal editorial oversight in the sense that a person(s) reads Signpost articles before they are published and could maybe flag egregious errors. So it's definitely a better source than a Wikipedia article and I guess better than some individual person's Wordpress blog (depending on who the person is and other factors), although maybe not a lot better (don't know). I've used worse sources, but not for contended and contentious material. Herostratus (talk) 02:24, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

It appears to me that Status Labs is the new incarnation of Wiki-PR based on a job interview I recently had with Jordan French. Not fully aware of the Wiki-PR controversy, I interviewed for a PR position with French in their very scruffy office in east Austin. Darius Fisher was "supposed" to be in the interview but according to French, Fisher was in Dubai. As the interview progressed it was apparent that Status Labs is producing and/or editing Wikipedia pages, among other services for clients. Turned out the interview was bogus and instead French was on a fishing expedition for names of potential clients, even asking me who I knew that had a reputation or perception problem. He was rather persistent on this topic and happily filled me in on their referral program, which I believe they refer to as an affiliate program. I was pissed this was not a real job opportunity, did further research on the firm and became aware of the Wiki editing controversy. In my opinion, French and Fisher simply changed the business name and continue their dubious work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.80.131 (talk) 22:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Piñata store demolition[edit]

Wiki-PR founders Jordan French and Darius Fisher, through their F&F Real Estate Ventures, demolished a family-owned piñata store to make way for a SXSW party, comparing its tenants to cockroaches. Their actions prompted Texas congressman Eddie Rodriguez to draft legislation protecting tenants from landlords. gobonobo + c 00:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Additional articles will be coming out at some point in the near future that talk about the current situation in greater depth (and to a greater degree put their current business dealings in the context of Wiki-PR) in the near future for those curious. Not sure how much depth it'll be appropriate to mention in the article, but this whole brouhaha at least already provides reliable sources saying that status labs an wiki-pr are one and the same, something that was previously lacking. Kevin Gorman (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Audio link is dead[edit]

Regarding this on the article now: External audio Public Relations and suspicious pages on Wikipedia, CBC Radio, interview with Simon Owens, October 24, 2013... the link is dead. Also, since audio was removed recently from MyWikiBiz, why is this link tolerated here? - 2001:558:1400:10:35E7:5245:8541:897C (talk) 16:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)