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Sally Struthers

I'm a Willamette alum but I'm fairly certain Sally Struthers isn't. I never heard anything about it when I went there. I checked some online bio places for her, but they all say she left Portland when she was 18 to go pursue her showbiz career. Can anybody substantiate that she went here? Also, who is the rhetoric major? The debate part is relevant because WU is known for that, but if you list rhetoric, you should list all Willamette majors. Jbenson964 19:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

She did not. See here & here among others. Magus 10:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm writing regarding the deletion of Corona Tuesdays and BWW as traditions. I did not write them myself, but I noticed that the IP of the person that deleted the text was an on-campus one and was hoping the editer would identify themself. As for me, this is David Lindenbach from Doney 209. (preceding unsigned comment by Ahimsa52 (talk · contribs) 20:45, 15 October 2005)


i too am writing in regard to the deletion (for the thrid time) os Corona Tuesdays and BWW. give us a good reason for why this is being deleted. maybe i just don't understand or maybe who ever is deleting these contrabutions is just a totalitarian ass hole. "nonsense" my aass. who here is to say that Corona Tuesdays and BWW aren't willamette traditions? no one. so why the continual deletions? (preceding unsigned comment by 158.104.76.254 (talk · contribs) 14:01, 19 October 2005)

My apologies for reverting the edits once again, before realizing that there were comments here on the talk page. However, I still think the revert was justified. To say that university students get together to drink, regardless of what names have been applied to the occasion, doesn't seem like notable or encyclopaedic information. I have seen several edits to other school/university articles in the past, usually using a similar tone, with no real information and that are only intended as "in-jokes" to other school/university attendees that might read the article. I had assumed the same with your edits, but clearly you care enough about the article to discuss it here. If you still think that this information is worth including, even after reading what Wikipedia is not and the necessity of information being important, then if you re-add your content perhaps you should also include why this information is useful. As it is, especially since I don't attend Willamette, I don't see that it is. Cheers. --Peruvianllama 01:01, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

delete unimportant info

I agree with Peruvianllama that a drinking get together is not worthy of mention in an encyclopedia. I also felt that the section on Mill Stream had too much of the same sort of minor information (lawn chairs stewn about...), though I didn't change it.

Chris 01:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I deleted it after all. Chris 01:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Calling Bum Wine Wednesday a "drinking get together" illustrates exactly how misunderstood Bum Wine Wednesday is. BWW isn't a party, it's more like a Willamette-specific holiday. Think like Earth Day, or Arbor Day, but instead of celebrating trees or the earth, we celebrate the undying spirit of the bum.

To provide a little context, Salem, OR, the town Willamette calls home, is an absolute slum. There are bums everywhere, especially in the neighborhood surrounding Willamette's campus. In fact, bums are arrested for trespassing on campus nearly every week.

"Salem is an absolute slum." What the hell kind of crack are you smoking? Salem is nowhere near as bad as other places I've been or even lived. Of course the area immediately surrounding campus doesn't have million dollar mansions lining the streets, but that's not exactly unusual for an area right around a city's core. There are plenty of nice parts of Salem, and there are things to do if you ever take the time to leave the bubble. Seriously, only a few parts of Salem qualify as a "slum" and even then it's debatable. As for the bums, I very rarely see any outside of downtown. Portland has far more and yet everyone on campus is in love with that place.

The point is that BWW is not a silly drinking game, but an homage, a weekly nod of recognition that if not for our upper-middle class upbringings and expensive private education, we'd probably be getting arrested for tresspassing ourselves.

Surely such a tradition, a micro-political action, is worthy of mention in the people's encyclopedia, if not in the Willamette article, then perhaps in its own?

N. Robinson--Kaneko 338--Willamette University —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.104.72.33 (talkcontribs)

If this "tradition" must have a place in the article, can you at least provide information for when it started, and who it involves? In my four years at Willamette (1999-2003) I never heard of it, so I'm wondering if it's a new thing, or if it is primarily a frat thing, or what. The way the article is written, it sounds like an ancient ongoing tradition that everyone takes part in. And that's simply not the case. Someone just needs to back up this information with some facts, so it stops sounding like folklore and starts sounding more encyclopedic. Romarin 03:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
And I've been around the Willamette campus for a good part of the last 20 years (I live in the "absolute slum" just a few blocks off campus), and I've never heard of it either. Now, Glee — there's a tradition. Sadly, an ex-tradition now.... Twisted86 09:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Acreage

The article claims it's 69 acres while the website claims 61. Which is right? --Phoenix Hacker 04:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you just put "roughly 65 acres?" - The Good Doctor (Dr. Zaret) 04:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

I placed an infobox on the article but there is some information missing. I also had no luck finding a good image. Anyone feel like filling in the missing information? --Phoenix Hacker 02:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Rhetoric section

What is noteworthy about this section? Should eevery department on campus be listed??? Twisted86 09:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this is a problem. Either no departments should be mentioned, or they all should be. I'm sure that this is just a case of someone belonging to that department wanting to prance around a bit. On the other hand, though, I think the rhetoric dept is fairly well-known, so maybe a good idea would be to choose a few of the more well-known departments (like music, I think... and I'm not sure what else) and do a blurb on each. What about that? romarin [talk ] 14:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. That might work. I guess I kind of muddled the issue. The issue really isn't one of fairness as I implied. What should be the issue is notability, which is inherently unfair. If all the departments in the CLA are truly notable, then away we go! If only some departments are notable, that's okay, too. Twisted86 04:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Danny Glover

Danny Glover is a graduate of San Francisco State University [1] — not Willamette (unless he went to law or business school at WU). Twisted86 21:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)