Talk:William Graham Sumner

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source[edit]

What's the source for this quote, by the way? - Nat Krause 04:15, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I added a link. If the quote is fake, folks will know. There are two at least versions of the Forgotten Man essay. The shorter one is linked. The longer one, which I have permission to post and translate, is in Sumner Today (1946) translator 20:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I have been looking at s:Author:William Graham Sumner, where it is claimed The Forgotten Man is a version of What Social Classes Owe to Each Other but does not cite who says so, and the relation is not obvious from a superficial examination of the texts. Is What Social Classes Owe to Each Other what you call an earlier, longer version of The Forgotten Man? It would be good to see the Wikisource claim better documented somewhere. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Is anyone familiar enough with Sumner's work addressing Marx's critique of Capitalism? Capitalism has the tendency to create disparity of wealth, creating a revolutionary proletariat. Therefore, it is governments job to stay small, but encourage unionization, a minimum wage, a maximum work day, and (this is mostly inferred and probably projected since the modern versions of the corporation didn't exist at his time) limit corporate power and monopolization. Maintaining a somewhat leveled playing field in America's capitalist economy by keeping the land/man ratio high enough for a stable system were important to his ideology. Wordsofglass 00:03, 29 Mar 2007 (EST)

Comprehensive?[edit]

This page almost seems a stub except it has a good summary as it doesn't mention a lot of the other work he did (Stuff with Social darwinism for example). I would imagine at least a works addition would be good (a list here, another here) but I'm not especially sure how to do it myself and don't have the time to right now. LwoodY2K 10:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I would agree that a works section should be added. Probably one of his most known works was 'What Social Class Owe to Each Other' which is mainly dealing with his views on Social Darwinism. As soon as I get some time I'll take a look at what I could add to the article. CRobey 21:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note that Sumner never used the term "Social Darwinism." His views are better described as Lamarckian. The term, "Social Darwinism," was not even coined until 1944 (by someone who was extremely unsympathetic to Sumner's views).

130.160.214.237 21:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

That would have been Richard Hofstadter. A rebuke (or repudiation if you want) can be found in Bannister and James Allen Rogers. Intangible 00:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Mencken[edit]

Why were the references to H.L. Mencken removed? Mencken's advocacy of Sumner carried his legacy to a new generation.Atthom (talk) 22:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

GA status[edit]

I've looked this article over, and think that it might meet qualifications to be considered as a Class B, Class A, or even a GA. IIRC, one of the requirements for GA is that the wikiprojects associated have it rated as such. Would one of the associated wikiprojects please review this article and determine if this may be the case. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2013 (UTC)