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Democratic Platform of 1864[edit]
In the Atlanta section of this article, the statement "the Democratic Party platform called for peace negotiations based on the acknowledgment of the Confederacy's independence." is flatly wrong. The platform called for immediate negotiations so that "peace may be restored on the basis of the Federal Union of the States." Could someone with the authority please correct this error? see :http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29578 for full text of the platform It might be argued that the platform if implemented would have led to southern independence, but that is not the same thing. And it has to be remembered that although it presented a peace platform, the Democratic Party nominated a war democrat, McClellan, who was committed to having no peace without restoration of the Union.
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Why Has an Article That Is Using Reference From 3 Decades Ago Being Updated Multiple Times Each Month?[edit]
So I am starting to see this more and more on articles as time goes on and a pattern is emerging but it really strikes me here because on historical figures especially ones as well known as Sherman there shouldn't be that much new info gleaned on a month to month basis that is noteworthy (especially info worthy of editing a padlocked article) and if there is it would be widely covered in the news. My hobby is to go down Wiki black holes going from link in what page to creating new tabs from links on that page and just getting lost. I've been doing this since the beginning so certain changes and patterns are really gonna stick out and this one does. I don't want this to become about a partisan thing but being an SEO specialist and programmer I will say there does appear to be a certain slant to these changes.
What's troubling to me though is just how unfriendly for a normal user this trend is making Wikipedia. See in order for them to get their edits past the smell test they hide them behind text books that they can link to and create a mess of a bibliography because they know that those sources are given more weight. They also know that people are less likely to follow through on checking those sources for validity. I'm not saying they are using fake sources. I'm saying they are purposefully using sources that are either horribly outdated or hard to access physical copies of. They are also removing as many valid edits w/ links to regular websites as they can.
So what you get is a Sherman biography where nearly every source is a book and not an easy to follow link and most of those books are horribly outdated. I mean a lot of this article is being taken from a Sherman biography written in 1993, why is that acceptable? Would you think someone educated in US History from a textbook from 1993 would be someone who had a firm grasp on current historical consensus surrounding people like Sherman? Especially when these books are being used to add in lines about Sherman advocating total war against Indians and slaughter of innocent woman and children. Something that when googled could not be found easily except from that book, this site now, and sites that intend to make Sherman look bad (wonder why they would want a linkback quoting from Wikipedia).
I mean Sherman was kept out of Grant's Indian plans such as Black Hills due to his stance of honoring treaties and such, "Sherman advocated total war against hostile Indians to force them back onto their reservations, "Opposition to Grant’s plan might have come from his highest-ranking military officer, Sherman. He was one of the men who had signed the Fort Laramie Treaty on behalf of the United States. He advocated using force against Indians when warranted, but he had once written Grant of his anger at “whites looking for gold [who] kill Indians just as they would kill bears and pay no regard for treaties.” And though Grant and Sherman had become close friends when they led the Union to victory, they had grown apart over politics since the Civil War. After Belknap usurped the general’s command prerogatives with no objection from Grant, Sherman had moved his headquarters from Washington to St. Louis in a fit of pique. He was not invited into the cabal, though two of his subordinates—Sheridan and Crook—were."[1]
There is even a great quote in this article I pulled this from that says this, "For most of the 20th century, historians dismissed the Grant administration as a haven for corrupt hacks." Basically that sentence explains in one simple sentence what I just took way too long trying to say. Can we gleam interesting information from older sources? Absolutely but usually those sources are from people who were contemporaries of the subjects they are writing about or have some experience with it. Such as the Greek historians. Again sorry for the length but I think this is an important topic. --JaqenHghar80 (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
- the " horribly outdated" book is Marszalek's excellent 1992 biography. Scholars continue to admire it-- there are 52 citations to it in scholarly studies 2013-2017 listed here at google-scholar; Paddy Ashdown (2013) calls it "definitive", as does N.M. Knight (2016); the Reader's Guide to American History edited by Peter J. Parish calls it "the most complete biography" (p 629). Rjensen (talk) 15:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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Note #105 is a dead link, but there's an archive of the page here: https://web.archive.org/web/20101103085838/http://www.academicamerican.com/expansioncw/civilwar/docs/ShermanAtl.htm
Done I ran IABot on the article and it looks like it caught that. LittlePuppers (talk) 18:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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