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Mille[edit]

"...The Churchills' children were entrusted to a French nursery governess in Kent named Mlle."

I believe Mlle should point to Mademoiselle_(title). I've very little knowledge of history but it also seems odd to say she was named "Mlle." I apologize if this note doesn't follow guidelines which I'm striving to understand.

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2016[edit]

Please add authorlink=Roy Jenkins to the recently-added citation supporting *fact* that Sir Winston was an anglican. 174.3.155.181 (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

That source is not formatted properly. It should just be "Jenkins, p.49." He's already linked as the author in the existing Secondary source. 86.187.172.92 (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a copy of Roy Jenkins immediately to hand. I've just added some stuff about how Churchill was influenced by Winwood Reade, of which I have a copy kicking around somewhere but have never actually read. Reade is sometimes described as a secularist but seems to me to have been more of a Deist, assuming his wiki article is accurate. If Churchill was an Anglican at all, he was a very lukewarm one, and more likely he simply paid occasional lip service to religion in the way that politicians do, presumably thinking the Church A Good Thing in general even if sensible people didn't believe much of what Attlee later called "the mumbo-jumbo". Those who know their late Victorian political history will of course recognise the issues about which they got so worked up, including the issue of non-denominational teaching in schools (a compromise infuriating to Anglicans, whilst both they and inner-city Catholics tended to wanted their own teachers; conversely Nonconformists came to resent taxpayers' money being spent on CofE Schools, an issue which exploded in 1902 as Churchill's career was kicking off, helping to cost the Unionists the 1906 election, and was not finally resolved until CofE Schools were effectively nationalised in the Butler Act of 1944 when he was Prime Minister; I wrote up Rab Butler's biog last autumn and there is some stuff in there about how Churchill's memories of 1902 made him reluctant to get into a fight with the churches).Paulturtle (talk) 01:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
It appears this request has been answered, albeit indirectly...? Marking answered. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 23:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
That source is not formatted properly. It should just be "Jenkins, p.49." He's already linked as the author in the existing Secondary source. 217.38.93.245 (talk) 09:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
And the publisher is wrongly linked to DAB page McMillan, and the ISBN has no spaces, and the ISBN is different to both of those currently used in the secondary source. Otherwise, yeah, Roy Jenkins is linked, great. 217.38.93.67 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Succession information[edit]

There is no need for the infobox to have detail on previous and succeeding occupants of office, when the same information is in the template below. Hence I have removed those data from the infobox. Kablammo (talk) 18:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

World War I[edit]

As First Lord of the Admiralty he was responsible for allowing war munitions and explosives to be transported on passenger ships. (165.120.240.224 (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2016 (UTC))

Are you sockpuppet of a banned user? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
No. I've read British civilian ships were carrying weapons. Surely this was illegal? (165.120.240.224 (talk) 16:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC))
But your IP address geolocates to Bury St Edmunds, where other previous sockpuppet trolls, who have an axe to grind against Churchill, have been located?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:32, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
If you've read it in a reliable source, then perhaps you can provide a reference so something can be added to the article? Chuntuk (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Quite interesting: "In 1903 Winston Churchill was searching a rich wife in US"[edit]

Winston Churchill, the English novelist, is coming to America in search of a wife who has money. There is an American novelist of the same name, but he does not need a rich wife - his books sell. Source: The Indianapolis Journal, Indiana, US, Dec. 22, 1903, Col. 3, p. 4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.202.65.48 (talk) 22:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

If so, I don't think he actually went. He visited the USA in autumn 1895 and the winter of 1900-1, but not again, as far as I can see, until his visits of 1929-31.Paulturtle (talk) 02:32, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Frankly, it looks like a bit of catty (not to mention very out-of-date) journalistic gossip. He certainly did meet the American novelist ("whose books sold") during his second (1900-1) visit. IF the young Winston met an American girl during the same visit then this may have started a few rumours which were still doing the rounds a couple of years later. He didn't meet Clementine until 1904, after all. All the purest speculation, of course. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 03:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Page range required[edit]

..."paring the Armed Forces too heavily.[1]"
I have tracked down the original entry for this to 10:08, 18 January 2008. That's some time ago. Can someone look it up and edit the page range?
Brenont (talk) 04:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

It's not on the cited page but I've added a page reference referring to his sparring, as Chancellor, with the Royal Navy over cruisers and the Singapore Base.Paulturtle (talk) 00:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
    • ^ James, pp. 22 212