Talk:Wolf's Lair

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'Former' province[edit]

"... at the time of operation this area was part of the former German province of East Prussia."

-- Wrong. At the time (7-20-44) the area was part of the German province of East Prussia. It became the former province of East Prussia when East Prussia was split between the Soviet Uniona and Poland in 1945. Sca 18:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 23:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


WolfsschanzeWolf's Lair — I'm wondering why this article is under the German name, when there is a standard English name for this location. Regardless of whether the English name is an accurate translation of the German original, "Wolf's Lair" is the standard name used in every Engish text I've ever come across. As this is English Wikipedia, the article should be under the English name, with a redirect from the German. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 16:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Support as usage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Support makes sense. Hohum (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Support. It's even stated in the lead that the usual English name is "Wolf's Lair". Jafeluv (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Wolf's redoubt[edit]

PLEASE NOTICE!!!: It is only in US (and not the entire English speaking world) the place is labeled "Wolf's Lair" (Where did the 'lair' come from??`).

The name of the place (get use to it US) is "Wolf's redoubt"

There is no such thing as "Wolf's lair". At least not related to WW2 and Adolf Hitler.

Regards

Henrik Ørsted, Denmark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.30.205 (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

At Google "Wolf's redoubt" +Hitler makes 10 hits for me, and "Wolf's Lair" +Hitler makes 225.000 hits. Skogs-Ola (talk) 10:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
It's true that Schanze generally means fortification, not lair or "redoubt" (the latter being a little-used word). However, the use of "Wolf's Lair" has become so commonplace in English that there's little point in being pedantic about it. To me, it makes more sense to simply use the German word Wolfsschanze. Sca (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Allied knowledge?[edit]

The Wolfsschanze was a huge complex served by road, rail and airfields. (I've seen it.) Each Nazi bigwig had his own bunker. It was widely known among German government and military officials. I find it hard to believe that the Western Allies were unaware of its existence through the entire war.

I've never understood why they couldn't find it and bomb it to smithereens — rather than bombing cities. At least by 1944, if not considerably earlier, they had the capability of bombing such a target; witness the devasting R.A.F. attacks on nearby Königsberg in late August 1944.

Hitler himself was well aware of its vulnerability to air attack. I've added three quotations from Traudl Junge's memoirs to show this. (I also added the German and English editions of her memoir to 'Sources,' with page numbers.) If anyone has any information regarding the Allies' failure, or perhaps unwillingness, to attack the Wolfsschanze, it would be interesting to see it.

Similar questions could be asked regarding the Berghof (residence), Hitler's Bavarian aerie, where his entourage spent long periods during the war. Junge also writes of repeated air-raid warnings there late in the war, but says the Allied planes, chiefly U.S. bombers based in Italy, flew on "to their destinations," i.e. German cities. It wasn't bombed until April 25, 1945, twelve days before the surrender of German forces on May 7. Why not?

And what about Hitler's special trains, known as the Führersonderzug? (See: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrersonderzug.) They were equipped with multiple flak (AA) batteries and given top priority on the Reichsbahn. One would think that Allied fighter-bombers — which by the end of the war were busily attacking anything that moved on German roads and rails — could have targeted these as well, but according to Junge their guns were never fired except in practice.

Sca (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

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needs more citations. most of the appropriate info is in Kershaw, but there are others.

Probably should have a cultural reference to the movie Valkyrie (2009?). Punctuation should be inside the quotes. Footnote reference outside the punctuation (and outside ending quotes, if applicable).

--Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Last edited at 23:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 10:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)