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What exactly is Wolfram & Hart?[edit]

Basically it is a fictional, evil, and analogues the world famous [[Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, LLP#REDIRECT [[1]] ]] founded in Los Angeles in 1890 and has eery & striking similarity. As to the building....It is the main buliding on Wilshire Blvd, of Spelling Entertainment. If any of you remember Melrose Place (an Aaron Spelling Production) that was where the main D & D Advertising Agency.



"The richest and most powerful corporation in the world" -- source? They are certainly very rich and powerful, but I don't recall them being described as the *most* rich or *most* powerful

What exactly is Wolfram & Hart?[edit]

Until Season 5, the Earthly incarnation of Wolfram & Hart is always deemed a law firm. Like most law firms, W&H is a partnership, and thus run by the Senior Partners. However, in the final season, Angel is the "President and CEO" of the company (“Conviction,” Angel 5x01). Only corporations need CEOs or Boards of Directors because they represent the financial interests of the shareholders. In partnerships, the only people who have any financial interests are the partners (both junior and senior). Eve's big "welcome to work" speech emphasizes that W&H is a corporation, and stresses the bottom line (the "catch"), which is definitely the goal of a typical company. In “Just Rewards,” (Angel 5x02) Gunn mentions a client holding a “block of shares” in Wolfram & Hart. This also reinforces the notion that W&H is a corporation… and that’s not a problem. If the producers wanted to retcon W&H into a regular company, that’s fine, but it cannot be both a corporation and a partnership.

This is not merely a nitpick, because it is just one of the many technical problems that plague Season 5. Why is Earth the home office if most of the Senior Partners don't even reside in this dimension (“Reprise,” Angel 2x15)? Furthermore, how important is Angel to the overall schemes of W&H, on a pan-dimensional scale? Most of the W&H baddies repeatedly say that Angel will be a "major player" in the coming apocalypse, but most of these guys were from Special Projects, the LA division designed just to deal with Angel--wouldn't any division feel it was the most important one in an organization as ruthless as W&H? Was every Wolfram & Hart branch in every city and every dimension designed to thwart Angel? To quote “Once More with Feeling” (Buffy 6x07), “Apocalypse, we’ve all been there/The same old trip, why should we care?” Throughout Season 5, the black-hats emphasize their apocalypse because it’s the one they’re currently working on, and the one designed specifically for Team Angel. Shouldn't there be countless other ends of the world designed by different branches in the works at all times?

Angel ran the LA office, but since he was never made partner (in fact, it’s not clear if he made partner even after being admitted to the Circle of the Black Thorn) it’s quite possible that his title of “CEO” was designed to fool Team Angel into thinking they had control over their offices. It was later revealed that Knox had been working several members of the team (with the help of Dr Sparrow, among others), so it’s quite possible that many different W&H departments were taking advantage of Team Angel’s unwitting status as figureheads.--hypercritic 20:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Funny thing just came to me. W&H has ties with News Corp, right? News Corp owns the Fox Broadcasting Company! Doesn't that mean that metafictionally, they own the series they are the primary antgonist of? Little wonder it was canceled! Or that they continue to kill Whedon and his associates' shows! heheh--Kalaong 03:33 24 June 2007 (EST)

Which Building?[edit]

Hey, does anyone know which Building in LA (or elsewhere) was used for the exterior shots of the building? Should this be included? Or have I just missed it in the article? Help plz 09:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

What's up with the formatting?[edit]

Something is screwy with the format of the article - I don't know how to fix it, though. Riverbend 15:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


Historical Meaning[edit]

I seem to remember one of the episodes mentioning the meaning of the phrase "the wolf, the ram, and the hart". It was something along the lines of three different representitations of the human race. Does anyone know which one that was?

Article title[edit]

Why is it Wolfram and Hart? Shouldn't it be Wolfram & Hart - you know, with the ampersand? That's the way it's written outside of the lawfirm's building, and it's right there in the image. Anyone opposed to a move? --Bacteria 14:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Jeff-El 22:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Resources[edit]

I just overhauled the newly-added Resources section. There was some inappropriate speculation, and a comparison with The First that seemed irrelevant. Truthfully, I don't like the section at all; I'm not sure it really adds anything to the existing text. Jeff-El 02:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

References[edit]

I've completed my extensive work on the article, and referenced it pretty thoroughly. As such, I've taken down the template. Sadly, I've replaced it with the in-universe template, as all that's there right now is a (well-written, I must say) in-universe perspective. We need some production notes to go with them, now. --Jeff-El 01:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

European Branch[edit]

I wonder if the European Branch Angel visits is distinctive enough to mention, especially since it looks just like the L.A. one. Lots42 04:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Wolfram and hart.JPG[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Big Question[edit]

In 2007, after being double crossed by Angel, the firm sends the L.A. branch (along with L.A. in its entirety) to a Hell dimension.

When did this happen? Did the Whedon-approved in-canon Angel comics come out? Was there an episode I missed? Cites, please. Lots42 10:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Home Office[edit]

Isn't it found that Home Office isn't actually reached, because the ring had been deactivated before Angel's elevator gets there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.244.237 (talk) 22:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Considering this is Wolfram and Hart, who knows what kind of tale they fed Angel? It could have been ALL lies. Lots42 (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Now since I had a year to think about it, I think the official explanation is that they were just screwing with him, to demoralize him. Lots42 (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I was annoyed by some facts on this page, one of which is the home office. It is not Earth. W&H disenchanted the ring before Angel could use it. (161.134.39.30 (talk) 01:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC))
do you actually have any sources for that claim? or the one above, the only one I know about is the one from the show itself, which is what is in the article. 216.58.11.237 (talk) 07:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Notabillity[edit]

Come on, whoever added the notabillity tag, Wolfram and Hart was there from the VERY FIRST Angel episode! Lots42 (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Buffy?[edit]

I don't recall Wolfram & Hart being part of Buffy, despite watching the series through a number of times. It's certainly not featured, as the article currently states. I don't believe Angel even refers to it by name in any of the crossover episodes. --121.217.73.28 (talk) 10:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it. Angel is part of Buffy's life. Angel is involved in Wolfram and Hart. Therefore, Wolfram and Hart exists in the Buffy universe. Lots42 (talk) 16:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
No. Absolutely not, no. That is the definition of in-universe thinking. Wolfram and Hart at no time ever appeared on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Djibouti exists in the Buffy universe on the basis that it is on planet Earth, but we don't say that it is featured in the show because of that. Djibouti was never seen or mentioned on the show, so it gets no mention in the article. The same rule applies to Wolfram and Hart concerning Buffy. W & H was a purely Angel concept, at no time ever crossing over into Buffy, and because of that Buffy should not be mentioned in this article. kingdom2 (talk) 17:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
It looks to me like we are talking at cross purposes. I had failed to note that 'Buffy' was in the header of the article (someone else had just deleted it). From that, confusion arose. That's my theory. Lots42 (talk) 22:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Buffyverse Refers to the universe in which Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel (and any other spinoffs / media from either show). The comment above about Djibouti is largely irrelevent as the term refers to things that appear ONLY in the buffyverse and are not reflections on real-world articles. eg. USA features heavily in both shows yet is not part of the Buffyverse while Sunnydale High School, which features just as heavily, is.Angry Mustelid (talk) 03:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyright violation[edit]

Reverted edits containing copyrighted material from [2] --MegaSloth (talk) 13:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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