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The introduction[edit]

Hi COGDEN. My wife is annoyed with the intro on this article with its emphasis on polygyny/polygamy while neglecting influence of women on the Church. She also doesn't like how the intro implies that early Mormons were not Victorians. She would like your wife to help you write this article...LOL. B 00:42, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

My wife thinks I'm insane for writing Wikipedia articles. I agree the intro needs some work--it's going to take a lot of work to get this one NPOV and keep it that way, and still deal with all the historical quirks and oddities. I welcome any additions or changes you might have.

This article lists a bunch of issues at the bottom but does not comment on them. As no additional information is provided, and their presentation is ambiguous, I am going to remove them. NR

Hi. The "nevertheless" in the intro paragraph doesn't seem to set apart two conflicting ideas. First you talk about mainstream mormon women in the 19th century, then present day folks on the margins, then mainstream today. Perhaps a different order . . . Chrisvls 15:28, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree. I tried to rewrite the intro a little more coherently. COGDEN 00:31, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

Name change[edit]

The following discussion was copied from Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/polls:

Move Women and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Women and Mormonism, and broaden scope to include other denominations.

  • Support. This follows the project trend we have lately established. Also, it will be more enlightening to see the progression of women's issues in the various LDS branches. I hope to see (perhaps I will add or invite contributions from others I know) something on the FLDS and modern polygamists. Tom Haws 15:44, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Support. I can see the advantages, in terms of simplifying the structure of Mormonism pages. However, I want to make sure the article isn't 99% CoJCoLDS, with the remaining 1% being a short statement about the Community of Christ's ordination of women. Personally, I don't know much about feminism from a CoC perspective. COGDEN 23:57, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
    • That seems a legitimate concern, certainly. OTOH, if that's the result in the short term, perhaps it at least makes clear there's a need for expansion (along the lines Tom's suggestions, for example), where at present that material has no place to go at all, unless one were to start very short individual articles. Alai 17:16, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
—Since there is no opposition, I went ahead and made this change. Hopefully someone can fill-out the CoC and Fundamentalist sections. COGDEN 19:15, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

I'm suggesting a move to Women in Mormonism, to keep it in line with other articles of a similar nature, such as those on Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism. --Leviel (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

POV check[edit]

{{POV-check|date=December 2007}}
The idea that early Mormonism was "women friendly" seems like it might be original research; is there a reference for this analysis? It also seems like it might be disputed. Based on the information in the article, I could easily see another school of thought describing it as "only slightly less patriarchal than society in general" or seeing no significant difference. -- Beland 03:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Modern feminist concerns about the LDS Church generally deal with the place of women in the Church hierarchy as well as problems relating to sexual abuse and family planning. - this is a very ambiguous statement with no clarification, an some very troubling phrases thrown out very casually. Sexual abuse? By whom, and as reported by what entities? Are you referring to institutional sexual abuse or unrelated acts by individuals? Very weasely.
The relaxation of the Church position against family planning as well as the church's public condemnation of the problem of spousal abuse are seen as major advances. - By whom? What group or groups are monitoring or commenting on this? This is a generalization as defined by Wiki standards. agent032125
This article is really just a stub:
  • No citations/footnotes
  • No mention of the book "Sacred Lonliness" by Compton
  • No mention of recent changes to Relief Society structure/authority
  • No mention of the book "Wife No. 19", and a discussion of the large number of women that left the church due to polygamy
So regarding the "OR" questions above, it is not so much that some individual statements are OR or not - the problem is that this article is essentially a stub article in very raw form. It really needs a thorough re-edit. Noleander (talk) 07:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Community of Christ[edit]

The Community of Christ is part of the Latter Day Saint movement, but is not part of Mormonism. If it is to be included in this article, the article title needs to be changed to not use the term Mormonism, perhaps Women and the Latter Day Saint movement. Either that or remove the CoC material. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Given the lack of contrary thoughts in the last several years, I have removed that section. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

planning an overhaul[edit]

Hi, I'm planning to completely overhaul this page. I'm planning to take some organization ideas from Kathryn and M.J. Pritchett's Women in the LDS church institute class. I'm aware that this page needs more "outside" sources... I'll see what I can do, but the most extensive information I've found so far comes from Mormon or ex-Mormon people. Let me know if you have suggestions for sources. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Mormonism and women[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mormonism and women's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Hammond":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 20:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)