Talk:Wong Shun Leung
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|This article is written in Hong Kong English (colour, realise, travelled), and some terms used in it are different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.|
- Probably should have explained this a bit more, a lot or the sources were not primary, otherwise unreliable (e.g. club websites), possibly not existent, or obscure enough that verification was virtually impossible. These were backing up some exceptional claimes of a fight record along the lines of 500-2 and of a POV version of events of the losses, and of claims of having taught Bruce Lee with a significant part in films that never quite happened. --Nate1481( t/c) 12:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not an expert on the subject, or his art, but I have some interest in helping to improve this article. Other commitments allowing, I will see what I can do. Janggeom (talk) 13:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm an expert on the subject, if you have any questions (about him or technical about the art) feel free to ask. Otherwise, thanks for working to improve it! I think the biggest thing that needs work right now is entire sections that are non-biographical in the encyclopedic sense, and lots of quotes and mentions of other people (including students) who's notability is questionable by Wikipedia standards (if they don't meet standards for it, then they're not notable enough to be used as a reference or quote) --Marty Goldberg (talk) 15:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note. One area in which I'll try to help make the article better is by organising the content so that the reader can get a good overall impression of the subject's main claim(s) to notability, the sequence of his life, and his legacy (e.g., notable students). As the article stands, there is a lot of information, but I found it difficult to get a good sense of chronology from it. Janggeom (talk) 09:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone could use this photo for this article; http://www.vtkf.nl/language/ger/images/img_home01.jpg
(Got it off of google)
- It would need permission from the copyright holder. I took a look on Wikimedia Commons just now, but there appears to be no photograph of the subject there. Janggeom (talk) 06:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Article improvement - June 2009
I'm starting a new discussion section, as it seems better than continuing under the "Nuked" heading. Reading through the article again, I think the content leads to the following sections: (1) Early life (it would be good to find out a bit more here), (2) Fighting career (this will probably be the biggest section), (3) Film career, and (4) Legacy. Section 2, and probably section 3, will need subheadings, but that is a general outline that seems to make sense to me. Janggeom (talk) 08:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Since the subject was from Hong Kong, I would like to propose that the article (as it is being rewritten/improved) conform to British English spelling and other such conventions (date format, grammar, etc.). At the moment, I see both American and British spelling used in the article. I have used both American and British spelling in previous work outside Wikipedia (so I'm comfortable working with either), but applying this convention to this article seems logical to me. Any thoughts on this are welcome. Janggeom (talk) 09:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I have finished checking on the references as best I can. There are a few references to books and videos that I do not have access to; I am leaving these in the article in good faith. There were several on-line references no longer available, and I have tried searching for updated or alternative references. In a few cases, I was able to locate the sources at new links (on the original websites). In one case, I was able to find an on-line discussion archived in Google's cache. I have deleted material that was repetitious or that I could not find references to support. I will next be going through the article to eliminate any remaining repetitions and unsourced statements. Janggeom (talk) 05:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I have substantially revised the article, eliminating some more extraneous text and reducing content where the references did not justify dedicating a large proportion of the article to it (most notably, the "Wong versus Giko" match). The next step will be to go through the article verifying rigorously that the references support the statements within the article that they are claimed to support, and converting quotations that do not really need to be quotations into streamlined text. Since the article has been revised heavily and I believe that the "neutrality" and "rewrite" tags are no longer needed, I am removing them. Janggeom (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I have verified that the sources (where I can find them, which has been in most cases) support the content of the article and that verbatim quotations have been reproduced faithfully. I have also condensed the text some more. There is still room for improvement (e.g., adding new sources, further streamlining), which I might yet work on, but I have essentially finished revising the article. Janggeom (talk) 02:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Congrats, and let me be the first to say you did one heck of a job. 1000% improved article. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind comments. What would be great (for further article improvement) is if subject experts like you (and others) could add reliable references and more background on the subject's life outside martial arts. I might have some references in old Australian martial arts magazines, so I will add any that I can find. Janggeom (talk) 22:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
WSL's birthdate would be more correctly stated as June 8th, 1935 under the Gregorian calendar. "May 8th" is a translation error from his lunar calendar birthdate: the 8th day of 5th lunar month.
Someone spreading lies in this article
Hi everyone, I clicked the source given  and I found out someone is spreading lies here in this article, please see here, this user wrote:
"Another version is that after Wong faced Lo Man Kam, Yip Po Ching defeated Wong."
Ok now look what is actually written in the source:
'Lo Man Kam, who was practising there, accepted the challenge. Then Yip Po Ching took care of Wong.'
Clearly, the source says nothing about who defeated who, why is someone so desperate in spreading lies on Yip Po Ching defeated Wong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by User778326198 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
The section on his "secret" contests are very weakly sourced and rely on information from Wong himself or his pupils. I suggest revising or eliminating this whole section to reflect the lack of any way to independently verify these underground fights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:56, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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|still some editorial style, OVER use of references & bad sources --Nate1481 18:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)|
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