Talk:World Championship Wrestling
|This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the World Championship Wrestling article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
|This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:|
|World Championship Wrestling was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.|
- 1 Naming
- 2 Protection
- 3 POV
- 4 External links
- 5 World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) link
- 6 Shane McMahon
- 7 Last part of "The Death of WCW" section
- 8 Possible "three-party system" in WWE
- 9 WCW logo
- 10 External links- WCW.com?????
- 11 My two cents
- 12 The Acquisition by WWF
- 13 Introductory Paragraph
- 14 Added list of TV programs
- 15 Sources
- 16 Sign didn't pan out
- 17 Changing all WWE references to WWF
- 18 GA-Candidate
- 19 push for GA-Status and hopefully FA
- 20 Information regarding the acquisition of the WCW by WWF
- 21 GA Fail
- 22 section on fan demand of a WCW brand return
- 23 Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pamela_Paulshock
- 24 has anyone checked this article for validity?
- 25 No NASCAR?
- 26 Jim Crockett Promotions
This really belongs at "World Championship Wrestling". See for instance World Wrestling Federation, World Wrestling Entertainment, Extreme Championship Wrestling, etc.; all of these use the full title instead of the acronym. Besides, I believe using the full form is in the Wikipedia:Naming conventions. --Furrykef 18:49, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Will no one do this? I can't do it myself because the target page already exists, and I'm not a sysop. --Furrykef 22:21, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, I want it changed too!
I've requested protection for this page, as a series of anonymous editors are reverting to a disputed version with no explanation. McPhail 19:13, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, this is pissing me off Zpb52 19:52, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
- The page had a protection tag on it, but was not actually protected. I wonder why that is. I noticed you guys have been working overtime to thwart certain anonymous editors' reverts of my attempts to make the article more neutral. I guess you agree with them, then? As for the anonymous editors, if any of you wish to discuss my changes and why you keep reverting them, feel free. I'm not above debate, and I'm not a McMahon flunkie, either. --Chrysaor 03:24, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've marked this article with a POV notice. Calling McMahon's early actions "bullying" is just one example, as is blaming specific angles for the promotion's ultimate collapse. It's a POV held by many wrestling fans, but it's still POV. — Gwalla | Talk 22:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I did my best to edit the pre-nWo portion of the article and I think it's better. If I have time later, I'll tackle the rest of it. --Chrysaor 07:26, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
- I think we can remove the NPOV tag now. I realize that the article still blames angles for the decline of WCW at the end, but it's prefaced with "some people believe that" and, as you said, it's a widely held belief. I'll remove the tag in a couple days if no one objects. --Chrysaor 19:29, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
I removed a lot of the extremly obvious POV tags from the Death of WCW. --Unopeneddoor 01:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
There should be a lot less POV statements now. Tell me if that's better.--Unopeneddoor 01:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Some people have been vandelizing the Superbrawl & World War 3 with back yard "shows" show can you guy watch them BionicWilliam
The POV problems seem to be proliferating. Take this, for example, from the second section, "The NWA Years:" ... "World Championship Wrestling's core audience was not interested in the WWF's cartoonish approach, preferring a more athletic style." That's opinion, not facts. I don't know if anyone's even paying attention to this page, but that's just scratching the surface of the POV issues this article has. I'm considering cleaning it up, but it would be a massive undertaking. Thoughts? --Pagemonkey
The External links section contained a lot of links to Usenet and forum threads, sites not updated in years and other cruft. In order to keep below the Spam Event Horizon I have pruned the following as being of no obviuous benefit to the article or the understanding of the subject, per WP:EL.
- DDT Digest, the resting place of WCW on the internet
- HISTORY OF WCW: The Beginnings
- Bischoff looks back at Monday night rivalry
- Triple H on the collapse of WCW and ECW
- Konnan: Politics killed WCW
- The Seven Deadly Sins Of WCW
- When did Nitro JUMP THE SHARK?
- Why WCW went out of business and was bought by the WWF
- The Death of WCW: Who killed Who?
- Brief Recap on Why WCW Went Downhill
- [www.gerweck.net/wwa040301.htm Monday Night Wars Dominated by Vince McMahon; Who is to Blame?]
- WCW Late 1996-1999: Care to Reminisce
This was reverted back the last time I changed it, so I figured it would be a good time to explain why I changed it. When the WCW/ECW Alliance went out of business after Survivor Series 2001, Vince McMahon came on RAW the following night and stated that the WCW Championship would now be referred to as the World Championship. In every match that the title was defended in up to Vengeance 2001, the title was always referred to as the World Championship, not the World Heavyweight Championship. On many websites and the now-defunct WCW Championship title history on WWE.com, Chris Jericho was stated as the last person to hold the WCW Championship before becoming the WWF Undisputed Champion. In September of 2002, Eric Bischoff awarded the "Big Gold Belt" to Triple H and stated that he was the last man to hold the belt, referring to his run as the Undisputed Champion between March and April of 2002 before it was represented by one belt. That should prove that the World Championship defended between November and December of 2001 is NOT the same title as the present-day World Heavyweight Championship defended in WWE. Therefore, it should not have a link to that championship on that part of the page and should only state World Championship, as I have done.
Was he really an owner? I figured that was kayfabe? OsFan 14:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Kayfabe. Fixed it. X-Mack 17:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Last part of "The Death of WCW" section
- With the return of ECW on it's way and all the hype over ECW the WWE feels that instead of having two brands RAW/Smackdown they would be better off with two or even three federations... They will all be run seperately no draft no interaction, With the exception of some ppvs and special matches but for the most part there will be three federations, WWE run by vince and the WWE booking team. ECW run by Paul Heyman Al Snow and Tommy Dreamer. and WCW run by Eric Bischoff Dusty Rhodes and a very close friend of Bischoff Diamond Dallas Page. These are all to be taken as rumors as of right now but from what I have heard there is a 99.9% chance of ecw returning and a 85.0% chance wcw will return... They are still ironing out details with the tv timeslot ecw may air on the internet for a few months untill they find a place for it and WCW will most likely takover Smackdown. If you take a look at smackdown the signs are all there for a WCW rebirth. WCW titles (World, US, Cruiser) WCW Refs (Nick Patrick, Charles Robinson) WCW PPV (Great American Bash) WCW Superstars (Rey, Helms, Booker T, Benoit, Finlay, Noble, Psicosis, Road Warrior Animal, Super Crazy) and now with Bischoff gone it leaves him free to start a wcw invasion on smackdown but sources say the invasion will start in the new ecw.
OK, all spelling errors and typos aside, this needs sources and I'm seriously thinking this is POV. 18.104.22.168 17:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- And now with the "future of WCW" section talking about the possible renaming of SmackDown! to World Championship Wrestling, I think it's only fair that whoever added that in should give us some credible sources as to whether or not that might actually happen-- 'cuz I've heard *nothing* about that, and in fact I find it extremely unlikely that Vince would bring back WCW. ekedolphin 05:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I take full responsibility for that section. I am sorry for using the Wikipedia entry to trade in speculation. I began editing only several months ago and am still learning about how it works. In this case, I drew the conclusion based on two facts:
- ECW was recently brought back as a brand by WWE. Along with WWF and WCW, the old ECW was one of the "big three" organizations around 2000.
- The CW will pick up Friday Night SmackDown! as part of the UPN/WB merger. Half of the CW is owned by the same company (Time Warner) that owned WCW before it was sold to Vince McMahon.
- Therefore, why wouldn't McMahon revisit the old "three-party system" of the 1997-2000 era? Rename SmackDown! WCW and leave RAW with the WWE name. Maybe even rename the show WCW Friday Night SmackDown! Then I thought that I had heard nothing about that, so I decided to put the disclaimer on the page to be safe. Again, no inside info, just a gut feeling. It could have been worse though: I could have named my fan-fiction character the new champion, a la David Arquette!--Desmond Hobson 16:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Possible "three-party system" in WWE
I've checked your reply and I appreciated it because I had that same feeling too. Speaking of that, I was wondering if WWE could bring back some or most of the championship title belts that had been defunct or "unified" in the processes. As of this comment, I've projected this format:
- For RAW:
- WWE "World Heavyweight" Championship (original version since its inception)
- WWE World Tag Team Championship (original version since its inception)
- WWE Intercontinental Championship (the equivalent of the WWE U.S.Hv. title)
- WWE European Championship (should be returned and split from the IC title)
- WWE Hardcore Championship (should be returned and split from the IC title)
- WWE World Light-Heavyweight Championship (original WWE 1997-2001 version and the equivalent of WCW W.CW. tite)
- WWE Women's World Championship (original WWE version since its inception)
- For SmackDown!:
- WWE/WCW World Heavyweight Championship (original WCW version since 1991 and the alternate version of the WWE Championship)
- WWE/WCW World Tag Team Championship (original WCW version since 1992 or 1993 and the alternate version of the WWE World Tag Team Championship)
- WWE/WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (the equivalent and alternate version of the WWE IC title since 2003)
- WWE/WCW World Television Championship (the equivalent and alternate version of the WWE European title in the possible future)
- WWE/WCW Hardcore Championship (the equivalent and alternate version of the original WWE HC title in the possible future)
- WWE/WCW World Cruiserweight Championship (original WCW 1996-2001 version and the equivalent of WWE RAW's W.L-Hv. title)
- WWE/WCW Women's World Championship (original WCW version since 1996 and the alternate version of the WWE Women's World title in the possible future)
- For ECW on SciFi:
- ECW "World Heavyweight" Championship (alternate version of the WWE and WCW Championships, original ECW version since its return)
- ECW World Tag Team Championship (alternate version of the WWE and WCW W.T.T. titles, original ECW version to possibly return)
- ECW United States Heavyweight Championship (alternate version of the WWE IC title and WCW U.S.Hv. title, if possible)
- ECW World Television Championship (alternate version of the WWE European and WCW TV. titles, original ECW version to possibly return)
- ECw Ultraviolent Underground Championship (alternate version of WWE and WCW Hardcore titles, if possible)
- ECW World Junior Heavyweight Championship (if possible)
- ECW Women's World Championship (if possible)
That's all I've taken my time to think and express. Nothing personal. Oh, I've decided to try this so that way any superstar regardless of which brand could go for "Triple Crown", "Grand Slam" or "Beyond Grand Slam" statuses, which the latter includes other titles reigns like the HC title and/or the CW title (i.e. Christian Cage or Jeff Hardy or JBL, etc. have or possibly can). Johnluisocasio (talk) 21:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Why did someone edit the External links section to go to WCW.com which doesn't exist?? There is no reason to have this link. The link should go to WWE.com as WWE is the owner of all WCW properties and holdings.Sivazh 22:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
WCW.com redirects to WWE.com
My two cents
I think they should keep this current content the way it is. Some sources are just like this article, having sourced to another page. My point is not to delete the article, but, to improve the quality of the entry. I beg of you to keep this article. Sundogs 13:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
The Acquisition by WWF
Is it just me, or does the fourth paragraph of this section seem POV? But I'll leave it up to you more experienced people to edit it if/how you see fit, mainly because I can't think of any way to reword it.JoeTBF13 03:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
This article was mysteriously missing an introductory paragraph, so I took it upon myself to compose one. Feel free to make any edits to it you deem are necessary. Thanks. Gujuguy 04:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Added list of TV programs
Would it be acceptable to use the Reynolds/Alvarez book as source here, or perhaps parts of Scott Keith's works? I don't think it's going to be easy to get any sourcing from a completely neutral POV, but using those authors it could be possible to cite references for stuff here... Any comments gratefully received before I start adding references here... --Dave. 19:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Is this the reason for the unreferenced tag? It was added just this month. - Desmond Hobson 00:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Sign didn't pan out
Remember the WCW on Versus speculation sign in Pittsburgh the day after Survivor Series? Well, that didn't work out didn't it:( Not even on the page anymore. - Desmond Hobson 00:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Changing all WWE references to WWF
I'm in the process of changing all instances of "WWE" in the article to "WWF." To refer to WWE as "WWE" in this article is anachronistic, as the company didn't rename itself as WWE until a year or two after it had acquired WCW. Anybody object? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gujuguy (talk • contribs) 19:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
Well, I agree with you, but all references to the “WWF” were changed to “WWE”, even when talking about the past. For example, they don’t call Hulk Hogan a 5 time “WWF” Champion and a 1 time “WWE” Champion. The simply call him a 6 time “WWE” Champion. You could say something like, “…WWE (WWF at the time)…”, or something like that. You’re right, but legally, you’re wrong, thus the name change in the first place. Get it??--Prince Patrick 17:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Then take that up at WP:PW because according to WP:PW policy all references to WWE before 2002 (or whenever the name change took place) are to be changed to WWF. Bmg916 Speak to Me 17:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't have to take anything to anybody. I agree with the change from WWE back to WWF for anyhting prior to 2002. I just thought it had to be changed for legal purposes. Why do you think they edit out all references to the “F”, even in past footage of DVDs and among other things?? They didn’t change the name going forward. They changed the name going forward AND all past references. DUH!!--Prince Patrick 17:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
They legally have to change it yes, I know that. For some reason unbeknownst to me personally, we don't have to here, that's why I suggested taking it to WP:PW because somebody there might know. Also, please be more civil. Bmg916 Speak to Me 19:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, well if we don't have to here, then yes, I say change it.--Prince Patrick 19:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- WWE legally can't say "WWF" (though they can say "World Wrestling Federation". We are not under that obligation, so it was agreed at WP:PW that all references to WWE before May 6, 2002 be changed to "WWF" (and that all references to it before 1979 be changed to "WWWF"). TJ Spyke 06:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh okay. That makes sense.--Prince Patrick 14:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
They eliminated all references to WWF because the World Wildlife Fund has the exclusive right to use the initials WWF. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I've just nominated it for GA-status, if you feel it could be improved in any way (less pics, more references etc.), can you please leave a comment underneath - I will try and update the article as soon as possible. Davnel03 12:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
push for GA-Status and hopefully FA
I am currently trying to extensively reference this page with the hope of eventually making it a Featured Article. Any assistance is appreciated but I do request references be of proper standard and not just fansites. I also hope editors will respect the ongoing work and not arbitrarily remove unsourced material. We'll get there in the end! ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 22:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Information regarding the acquisition of the WCW by WWF
Please do NOT remove the information placed there tonight. Said information is valid, and if necessary, I can find and post the entire text from Linda McMahon referenced as I had copy and pasted it to a message board I once frequented. Furthermore, the information regarding WCW footage on WWE DVDs is also accurate, in terms of the footage listed.
Warwolf 05:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
To that I offer this link in response, which consists of several cut and pasted articles from the day the announcement of the purchase was posted on the web, March 23, 2001: http://www.silabub.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001971.html
The above link is an archived section with discussion on the purchase, starting with the actual information, on a message board I once frequented.
126.96.36.199 07:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately message board/fan forum links are unacceptable under policy. There is no proof that the person who posted those articles did not just make them up. It would be extremely easy to do so just by copying WWE's standard press-release format. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 11:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately it's a fail for now.
Improvements necessary for GA:
- Article needs a re-org. Article is way too strongly weighted towards the "History" section - in fact, the whole thing is History. I would suggest creating new top-level headings on major topics of relevance to the WCW and reworking much of the existing material into those. A good deal of the history sub-section could also go into a sub-article. (See National Hockey League, a GA, for an example of a well-organized article in a similar genre). This will be a major task.
- Writing is generally very good, but there is a nasty run-on sentence with comma misuse in the lead (first paragraph).
- Per WP:LAYOUT please put "details", "main", "see also" templates after section headings but before the text.
- A good number of paragraphs do not have any citations. Some have NPOV problems; for example "Another thing Bischoff may have failed to consider..." - an opinion like this is fine only if it comes from a reliable source. The "Decline" section is also full of opinions and analyses that do not appear to be sourced.
- "Image:Original-nWo.jpg" and "Image:Fingerpoke of Doom.jpg" need detailed fair-use rationales added to their description pages.
Improvements not necessary for GA:
- Some of the pictures are pretty low-quality. If you can find better pictures that would improve the article.
- Please move all ref tag cites after punctuation.
- Merzbow 08:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
section on fan demand of a WCW brand return
- I don't see any demand. ECW was different in that it was a niche organization that made its fame for hardcore wrestling. I loved WCW, but it and WWF were basically the same. Anyways, I haven't seen the demand for a WCW return and don't think it should be mentioned in the article (and it's only mentioned in the ECW article because WWE did bring it back). 01:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
An interviewer for WCW is now up for deletion. You are welcome to comment there. Ikip 23:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
has anyone checked this article for validity?
Though I expect my edit will be changed hopefully it won't. here the source for the change I made: http://www.wrestling-titles.com/wcw/wcw-in-h.html
I corrected the years of the wcw international title. It had it listed from 1994 to 1999 where as it existed from 1993 -1994. This isn't something that is rapidly changing. WCW is over so there's no reason the information listed can't be right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The article mentions monster trucks based on WCW but how come there are no mentions of WCW's NASCAR race cars? They had a ton of cars over the years and I think it merits mentioning in the WCW in other media section probably more so than their monster truck endeavors. TheGary (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Jim Crockett Promotions
Shouldn't the article for Jim Crockett Promotions be merged with this one, under the WCW name? I know it was a different era, but WCW was, technically, a continuation of JCP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:27, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
- It's not the same promotion. Turner Broadcasting bought most of the assets of JCP to form WCW, but not JCP itself, which continued as a company, if only to settle debts. This included the name, which had been originally used by Georgia Championship Wrestling for the Saturday TV series beginning when TBS became a cable superstation, as well as memebership in the NWA, which still existed on paper, though there were no other active member promotions in the US. Jim Crockett Jr. stayed on to run the new company for a while, before he left while still under a no-compete clause. When that expired, JCP almost re-entered the business as a separate entity, but the 80s boom was done by then and he decided against it.
- Of note, at the time of the sale, Jim Crockett Jr was also the sitting president of the NWA, and he signed over full ownership of the NWA World Heavyweight Championship to WCW. WCW actually remained a member of the NWA until 1993, and in the interim allowed other regional promotions to join, figuring they could be used as developmental territories. However, when they started to demand appearances by the world champion, as was their right as NWA territories, WCW finally left for good. In the settlement, WCW actually got full ownership of the entire World Heavyweight Championship lineage up to that point, meaning that any claims that the modern NWA title has any history before 1993 are false. That history belongs to the WCW World Havyweight Chamoionship, and Jennie actually owned by WWE. The modern NWA title history begins in 1993, with a title tournament that was won by Shane Douglas. That part, as they say, is foundational history for the ECW title. oknazevad (talk) 03:06, 22 January 2018 (UTC)