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Biblical basis and Title[edit]

From the biblical Greek I believe that "aeon" is best translated as "Age to come". the word fro world "kosmos" is not used. It is the KJV that produces the older rendering of the term and is now recognised as mis-translation. It is of significance when discussing the more intricate areas of eschatology, which is what i expect this articel is concerned with. I suggest a name change for the article. 90.195.140.152 (talk) 13:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The "world to come" is the more common phrase, so following wikipedia protocols, that should be the title, but "age to come" is also mentioned in the lead as an alternate title. 75.0.10.105 (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody couldn't write the actual phrase in Hebrew: העולם הבא!? How complicated was that? Geesh! People are going to search Wikipedia for the actual phrase in Hebrew, not a transliteration of the phrase.StevenTorrey (talk) 13:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 February 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Reasonable objections have not been countered. Jenks24 (talk) 14:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

World to come → Heaven on Earth – The phrase "world to come" is used in all sorts of context − not just in religion. Hence this page needs to either be broadened in scope with subsections for "In religion" etc or be moved to either Heaven on Earth (Heaven on Earth (religion)) or World to come (religion). Fixuture (talk) 20:38, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the moment, oppose the title does in books appear to correspond to article content. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:30, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
oppose, the article focuses mainly on the current wording.Homunq (࿓) 14:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this page is very accurate with its chronology[edit]

I'd like to see some evidence as to why the current arrangement is the way it is, otherwise I will change it and note the actual first occurrences of each concept and the date the texts were written as proof of chronology. It currently reads: Hindu, then Christian, than Jewish than Zoroastrian? From my research and understanding, this is very incorrect. Many scholars argue that it was the Zoroastrians, with Cyrus the great, that influenced Judaism and thus Christianity especially with its end times eschatology, but there is a debate about the true origin date of kalki in hinduism and if it comes before or after influences from abrahamic religions but the date of the earliest version of texts we have would seem the Hindu tale borrows from Zoroastrianism and the Abrahamic faiths. From my understanding of history, India long influenced Persia and could be the true origin of the concept, but by looking at specific dates of written texts, the Zoroastrian is the oldest according to humanities records.

In Zoroastrianism the gathas are said to have been written around 1500 and 1200 BCE, but the first mention of a messianic future hero is in the yashts. "These Yashts are dedicated to lower gods. However, it is almost certain that these hymns were not really composed by the prophet, because they are written in another language, which is usually called "Younger Avestan". This language resembles the Old Persian that we know from the cuneiform texts of the Achaemenid Empire written between 521 and 331 BCE. The composition of the Yashts may therefore tentatively be dated between, say, 625 and 225 BCE."

In Judaism by contrast, the modern scholarly consensus rejects Mosaic authorship, and affirms that the Torah has multiple authors and that its composition took place over centuries.[6] The precise process by which the Torah was composed, the number of authors involved, and the date of each author remain hotly contested, however. Throughout most of the 20th century, there was a scholarly consensus surrounding the documentary hypothesis, which posits four independent sources, which were later compiled together by a redactor: J, the Jahwist source, E, the Elohist source, P, the Priestly source, and D, the Deuteronomist source. The earliest of these sources, J, would have been composed in the late 7th or the 6th century BCE, with the latest source, P, being composed around the 5th century BCE. Of course the Jahwist page on wikipedia claims: "The Jahwist, or Yahwist, often abbreviated J, is one of the most widely recognized sources of the Pentateuch (Torah), together with the Deuteronomist and the Priestly source. The existence of the Jahwist is somewhat controversial, with a number of scholars, especially in Europe, denying that it ever existed as a coherent independent document.[4] Nevertheless, many scholars do assume its existence, and date its composition to the period of the Babylonian captivity (597-539 BCE) or perhaps somewhat later.[5]" The final Torah is widely seen as a product of the Persian period (539–333 BCE, probably 450–350 BCE). A minority of scholars would place the final formation of the Pentateuch somewhat later, in the Hellenistic (333–164 BCE) or even Hasmonean (140–37 BCE) periods.

The first mention of Maitreya in Buddhism is in the Pali canon written in 29–17 BCE.

Christianity - the book of revelations is written in 96 CE

Hinduism has Kalki which is first mentioned in the Mahabharata. "The original events related by the epic probably fall between the 9th and 8th centuries BCE. The text probably reached its final form by the early Gupta period (c. 4th century CE)." The oldest surviving Sanskrit text of the Mahabharata dates to the Kushan Period (200 CE). And much of what we know about Kalki comes from the Kalki Purana which was written in the 10th century CE. Kalki is also featured in garuda puranas which were written around 800 to 1000 CE.

There is no mention of the Norse ragnarok either and the coming of Baldr and I know the Viking Age occured around 700 AD and mostly had oral traditions.

Also the Aztecs and Hopi aren't mentioned anywhere either, and this page could be expanded to include other cultures. --Themetacognologist (talk) 04:35, 23 July 2020 (UTC)--[reply]