Talk:Worms, Germany

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Vastly improved[edit]

JHK deplored the poor state of this entry, when it was a stub. The article is now vastly improved, thanks to the kind efforts of an anonymous contributor.

It is still far too short for a city of such historical import. 86.136.215.124 23:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I've looked over the article and it feels to me that the article was far greater in length and quality last year when I last looked it up. What areas do people feel need to be expanded. I live here and could do some research and update what needs updating. TurboManiacal 11:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
After viewing and comparing the German version of the Worms article I can see a vast difference in quality. I'll try to begin bringing some of their information over into the English article. Some of it will be easy...other parts will require extensive use of a dictionary. TurboManiacal 12:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added a few sections on Geography and expanded initial paragraph. I'll visit the museums this weekend to back up my admittedly weak German translation - agreed a lot of these sections are very weak and really don't do the city's history justice. Any German speakers want to assist? TurboManiacal 14:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

Is the infobox supposed to have a black background colour? The text is impossible to read, and it looks ugly. -- 168.140.181.4 03:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Still has further to go[edit]

"Augusta Vangionum this gave the settlement its romanized but originally Celtic name Borbetomagus." Sorry folks, but that statement is nonsensical. This is only a cursory glance. There might be more of the ilk.Dave 01:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Redirection[edit]

If you try to look up "Worms" in Wikipedia, instead of arriving at this article you get sent to a page about the animal, so you follow the disambiguation notice at the top, and then right at the bottom of the list is a link to this article. If the city was called "Worm" I would understand, but when looking up "Worms" I would certainly expect a serious encyclopedia to lead me to this page first. It is also interesting to note that this article is at "Worms, Germany". The title seems odd given that settlements in the United States for example, have titles of the format "Somewhere, State". Shouldn't this be at "Worms, Rhineland-Palatinate", if it needs to be disambiguated at all. These inconsistencies and national biases do make Wikipedia look incredibly amateurish. 86.136.215.124 23:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually it would be Rheinland-Pfalz but yeah the association in the U.S. by state and here in Germany by City is made not only by Americans but by Germans themselves (my experience). Germany has what...16 states and it is the physical size of Montana? Germans tend to associate more by City than by state, often by Region which is not necessarily tied to state. It's odd as Worms really does fall in the Rhein-Hesson area and is quite near the border of 3 states so the identity is somewhat mixed here. I'd imagine that the lack of a state identity is a result of where the powerbase falls in the political construct of the governing nation - It's a question for the sociologists and not necessarily a reflection on Wikipedia or the people that contribute to it. TurboManiacal 11:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Bombing[edit]

Worms was heavily bombed on the night of February 21-22, 1945 by the Royal Air Force during the last few months of World War II.

Why? Sca (talk) 20:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Variant Names?[edit]

Etymology says: "Many fanciful variant names for Worms exist only upon the title pages of books printed when Worms was an early centre of printing: for instance William Tyndale's English translation of the New Testament was printed at Worms in 1526."

That may be an instance of a "books printed when Worms was an early centre of printing", but it is *not* an instance (or example) of a "fanciful variant name for Worms". What *did* WT's NT call Worms?

Furthermore this sentence falls into the common WP error of choosing the wrong specificity of hyperlink. William Tyndale is linked - good! But English language and New Testament? The vast majority know what the English Language is! Most (if perhaps fewer) people know what the New Testament is. Only the already well-read would be aware of Tyndale's English translation - but there is a specific page on that: Tyndale Bible which could be linked from the phrase "English translation", or just "translation" if we're desperate to keep the link to English language in. 212.44.43.80 (talk) 13:20, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved: insufficient support for this move, nor (it appears) a change more generally.) DrKiernan (talk) 09:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


Worms, GermanyWorms (Rhineland-Palatinate)

When disambiguating geographical locations we usually do so by state/province/sub-division e.g San Jose, California not San Jose, United States; Windsor, Berkshire not Windsor, United Kingdom; London, Ontario not London, Canada. The reason for suggesting brackets in this propsosal rather than using commna is in line with Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Conventions. Zarcadia (talk) 12:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure about this move and WP:GERCON's proposed disambiguation mechanisms. It seems like there's potential for confusion with places actually named with parentheses, such as Halle (Saale) and Halle (Westf.). "City, Country" (or "City, State/Province/Land") is a fairly common way of describing places in English, which is the more relevant consideration for the English Wikipedia. Note that based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Disambiguation, "City, Germany" is the preferred form of disambiguation for unambiguous city names. That section presents a list of countries where we disambiguate by subnational unit, and Germany isn't on there. I wouldn't object to adding Germany to that list, but qualifiers in parentheses seems like a poor decision unless it's actually the city's name. --BDD (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if you would be so kind as to point out whereabouts the list of countries where we disambiguate by subnational unit is on that link as I can't seem to find it. Zarcadia (talk) 19:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Parenthetical disambiguators have a specific function on Wiki, and using one for this purpose is unnecessary and blurs their primary usage. After seeing Halle (Saale) used as a precedent for this kind of proposal, I'm regretting my vote in support. Kauffner (talk) 18:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree that using parentheses are unnecessary in this context, and would prefer to see this article at Worms, Rhineland-Palatinate. My reason for the move was that the use of country specifically is an inappropriate disamgibuator for a country such as Germany that has federated states that would serve better. Zarcadia (talk) 19:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'm fairly neutral on the move, but if it is moved it should definitely be to Worms, Rhineland-Palatinate as the usual way to specify geographical locations in English. The way Germans do it is irrelevant on English Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Precision does not require finer disambiguation than (Germany), and the existing disambiguator will be recognised by far more English speakers than the proposed one. Andrewa (talk) 10:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Precision does not require finer disambiguation than (Germany)--Symposiarch (talk) 13:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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