Talk:Wu-style t'ai chi ch'uan

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What about adding a bit about the son of Ma Yueh Liang and Wu Ying Hua the article refers to? He lives in the Netherlands and teaches in Europe, his name is Ma Jiang Bao. --Lx 30 June 2005 23:57 (UTC)

On Jul 24, 2005 I added an external link to the Ann Arbor Wu Style Academy, but it was removed on July 26. Why was the link removed? (I have readded the link.) --Shekkara 26 July 2005 21:05 EDT

It was removed because the Ann Arbor school is already included in the certified training centres listings in the link to the main Federation website, Why have two links? Fire Star 05:05, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Then by the same reasoning the Shanghai listing should be removed too. Shekkara Thu Jul 28 07:31:59 EDT 2005
True. Fire Star 13:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

On Nov 6, 2005 I added a link to On it I maintain a list of all Wu Style related websites (including the three others currently listed). I would like to expand and maintain this as a resource for the Wu Style community. If you know of any other Wu Style websites, please contact me through my site.

What about adding a bit about the adopted Daughter of Ma Yueh Liang and Wu Ying Hua the article refers to? She lives in New Zealand and teaches Wu Style Tai Chi there, in the United States and Europe. Her name is Shi Mei Lin, and Wu Ying Hua and Ma Yueh Liang named her Wu Yan Tang. Zhongdian (talk) 23:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Also added a reference to the Shanghai Chien Chuan association and that Ma Hai Long, son of Wu Ying Hua and Ma Yueh Liang is the current head there and still teaching Tai Chi. Zhongdian (talk) 04:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Move to "Wu-style t'ai chi ch'uan"[edit]

It has been discussed at length here: Talk:T'ai chi ch'uan#Romanization / Naming Revisited. Unfortunately the consensus was not reached to move to pinyin (taijiquan), as most other Chinese martial arts have done. This is because although most well learned practitioners and professionals of the martial art refer to it in the pinyin form, the majority of references to it are still in the Wade-Giles form. Consensus was thus reached to at least use the accurate Wade-Giles form, if at all, since the spelling "tai chi chuan" is too ambiguous as in turn one could, for example, also write "chi" (for "qi") instead of "ch'i", and making it appear to be the "chi" in the name (tai chi chuan), etc. This consensus has allowed for correctness while following WP guidelines of adopting the most common usage.
In turn, in all related articles it's to be made immediately clear that "t'ai chi ch'uan" is interchangeable with "taijiquan", e.g. writing "t'ai chi ch'uan (taijiquan)" or "taijiquan (t'ai chi ch'uan"), while on the t'ai chi ch'uan page, a write-up is going to be made to reflect that officially, taijiquan is preferred. For the sake of avoiding unnecessary fragmentation, all the family styles are being renamed to "t'ai chi ch'uan" as well. The shift of common usage is slowing moving toward pinyin and in time the change will be made to it, but for now the current usage in it's correct form is what seems best to use and, of course, to avoid confusion through naming fragmentation, it's best to have all sub-pages in-line with the main t'ai chi ch'uan page. I hope this doesn't upset anyone and you all understand the necessity for the current position that has been taken. InferKNOX (talk) 11:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Why the hyphenization of "Wu-style"? Nobeody does that, not in any publications, nor in any websites put up by Wu style teachers. Indeed, the only place that uses a hyphen is Wikipedia. It looks weird. (talk)
It was discussed at length in the link I mentioned. If using the Wade-Giles romanization, accurate spelling requires that the hyphens are present. A simple example that would help to explain this is that, according to the Wade-Giles romanization, the transliterations chi and ch'i mean two completely different things, that is, "ultimate" and "life energy" respectively. Common usage is according to Wade-Giles, however, it is often misspelled to a version omitting the hyphens. The closest that Wikipedia can get to displaying this common usage, whilst still being correct (spelling-wise) is to display it hyphenated. In the Pinyin, there are no hyphens, it is spelt taijiquan. This is currently not common usage, though, and thus can't be used on Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's common usage principles. I hope this clarifies the reasoning for you. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 17:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Oops, sorry I was at a complete tangent (thinking apostrophe). Hyphens are used on all the family-style article pages on Wikipedia, as it is proper English punctuation. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 00:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Improving lineage trees[edit]

Wu-style tree[edit]

Solid lines Direct teacher-student.
Dot lines Partial influence
/taught informally
/limited time.
Dash lines Individual(s) ommited.
Dash cross Branch continues. CHEN-STYLE Zhaobao-style
Wang Lanting
2nd gen. Yang
Yang Jianhou
2nd gen. Yang
2nd gen. Yangjia Michuan
Yang Banhou
2nd gen. Yang
2nd gen.
Guang Ping Yang
Yang Small Frame
WU (HAO)-STYLE Zhaobao He-style
Li-style (杨少侯)
Yang Shaohou
3rd gen. Yang
Yang Small Frame
Wu Quanyou
1st gen. Wu
Qi Gechen
2nd gen. Wu
Wu Jianquan
2nd gen. Wu
108 Form
Guo Songting
2nd gen. Wu
Wang Maozhai
2nd gen. Wu
Dong Yingjie
4th gen. Yang
Zheng Rongguang
3rd gen. Wu
Ma Yueliang
3rd gen. Wu
Wu Yinghua
3rd gen. Wu
Wu Gongyi
3rd gen. Wu
Wu Gongzao
3rd gen. Wu
Yang Yuting
3rd gen. Wu
Cheng Tinhung
Li Liqun
4th gen. Wu
Wu Dakui
4th gen. Wu
Wu Yanxia
4th gen. Wu
Wu Daxin
4th gen. Wu
Wang Peisheng
4th gen. Wu
Wu Guangyu
5th gen. Wu
Luo Shuhuan
5th gen. Wu

I'm working hard on improving the lineage trees for the main taijiquan page and for all the family style pages. Please comment on the this tree where you feel improvements can be made and help me by posting information on individuals that aught to be included in the tree and the reason for their significance so that a detailed Wu-style tree can be produced. All individuals to be added that are approved upon (via consensus of course) will be added, unless they threaten to make the tree excessively large whilst adding little value to the overall tree.
The tree on the main page is to focus on the gate keepers of the styles in order to show each family style's lineage without making it excessively large, while the trees on the family style pages are to be more focused on the particular styles, showing a more in depth view of it's development & connection to other family styles. I hope to hear from as many of you as possible & will continue making edits to the tree here as feedback comes in. Thanks. InferKNOX (talk) 13:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)