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Links[edit]

>> China media says clash in Xinjiang kills 16 (Lihaas (talk) 10:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)).

Title of article[edit]

The title of this article is currently "Xinjiang conflict". I have gone through all the linked sources and none of them use the words "Xinjiang conflict". Rather the words used are, "terrorism", "unrest", "violent clashes", "riots" and "racial/ethnic tensions". Googling for additional sources, I couldn't find reliable sources using the word "conflict". All reliable sources seem to use other wording. Using the word conflict on this article seems to be an exaggeration. Rincewind42 (talk) 03:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I see where you are coming from, but I found several sources that use the word "conflict." East-West Center in Washington, the Guardian, paper from AU, and a few others. Use of the term would also seem to be in line with some other Wikipedia articles, such as Western Sahara conflict and Chiapas conflict. I'm not sure what other word could be used to describe the series of events that have led to a few several thousand deaths, but I'm not linguist. Mvblair (talk) 14:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
There is a world of difference between "as ethnic conflict grows in Xinjiang" (Gaurdian) and "Xinjiang conflict". Similarly for the Australian article. It says "Ethnic Conflict" not "Xinjiang conflict". It is a different meaning of conflict. The East West Center article is just one voice. Read Wikipedia:Article titles and in particular see WP:COMMONNAME, "Xinjiang conflict" is not the common name in reputable sources. The number of deaths is not the defining factor of a conflict; rather is is the form of action taken. Xinjiang is sporadic, uncoordinated, loosely connected or even unconnected events that only share a common motive - though even that is debatable. The words "Xinjiang conflict" imply an organised armed revolt or war which is an exaggeration. The Western Sahara and Chiapas are not comparable to the events in Xinjiang and in an case pointing to other low quality Wikipedia articles is a poor argument. Rincewind42 (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't know, when I do a Google search for "Xinjiang conflict," I see plenty of sources, including a few that seem to be direct translations from state media. Given the definition of the word, what has been happening in Xinjiang would seem to be a "conflict." Feel free to suggest another title for the article. Mvblair (talk) 18:33, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Please read WP:RS and WP:COMMONNAME. Don't be vague, if you see plenty then post links. What I see are various mirrors of this Wikipedia article, mirrors of the East-West Centre article and a couple of youtube videos of twenty year old news reports. The are not reliable sources and not sufficient to establish "Xinjiang_conflict" as the common name when compared with the alternative names. I have already suggested alternative names in my first comment. For example, put "Xinjiang unrest" into google and you get the BBC, Finacial Times, aljazeera, Times of India, South China Morning Post, Reuters and more. You get a similar list if you search for "Xinjiang riots" or "Xinjiang terrorism". All three of these options are used by reliable sources and sources of this article itself. My personal preference would be "Xinjiang unrest". There may be other better names. I'm open to suggestions but "Xinjiang conflict" is out. Rincewind42 (talk) 04:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I see where you are coming from even though "conflict" seems appropriate to me. Mvblair (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Mvblair. Conflict is the right word, 'unrest' and 'terrorism' are merely parts of this conflict, just like 'oppression' is. --82.75.32.124 (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
It is no surprise that none of the sources use the words "Xinjiang conflict". However "conflict" is a useful cover term for "terrorism", "unrest", "violent clashes", "riots" and "racial/ethnic tensions". To suggest that "conflict" is an exaggeration is odd. Terrorism, violent clashes, riots etc are all types of conflict. I believe that the Chinese Communist Party would oppose the use of the term conflict, but Wikipedia should be objective. "Conflict" is in fact an understatement. "Rebellion" may be a better term for what is occurring. Of course that will be even less palatable to the CPC and its allies.Royalcourtier (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Soviet support of East Turkestan People's Party insurgency against China[edit]

East Turkestan People's Party

http://books.google.com/books?id=1ia-2lDtGH4C&pg=PA57&dq=soviet+turkestan+people's+party&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dpQcU9iPN-fN0wHUrYCYAQ&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=soviet%20turkestan%20people's%20party&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=jRhHphtBg-QC&pg=PA69&dq=soviet+turkestan+people's+party&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dpQcU9iPN-fN0wHUrYCYAQ&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=soviet%20turkestan%20people's%20party&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=g25_AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA147&dq=soviet+turkestan+people's+party&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dpQcU9iPN-fN0wHUrYCYAQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=soviet%20turkestan%20people's%20party&f=false


http://books.google.com/books?id=etRkjLv8AosC&pg=PT278&dq=soviet+turkestan+people's+party&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dpQcU9iPN-fN0wHUrYCYAQ&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=soviet%20turkestan%20people's%20party&f=false

United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan

http://books.google.com/books?id=5I2b_hrJO8sC&pg=PA37&dq=soviet+turkestan+people's+party&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dpQcU9iPN-fN0wHUrYCYAQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=soviet%20turkestan%20people's%20party&f=false

Soviet historiography and propaganda to Uyghurs[edit]

The soviet formation of uyghur nationalism and history

http://books.google.com/books?id=8FVsWq31MtMC&pg=PA208#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA38#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA40#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA41#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=IAs9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA188#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=dM9BAAAAYAAJ&q=inauthor:%22Rais+Abdulkhakovich+Tuzmukhamedov%22&dq=inauthor:%22Rais+Abdulkhakovich+Tuzmukhamedov%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_VrFULiZE6uz0QHHvoH4Cg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ

KGB aid to Uyghur separatists.

http://books.google.com/books?id=mXXnd81uoMoC&pg=PA240#v=onepage&q&f=false

KGB Agent Victor Louis (journalist) wrote a book about his support for Uyghur, Mongol and Tibetan separatists, he encouraged the Soviet Union to try to wage war against China to allegedly "free" those nationalities from China's rule

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZavAkGUNdSkC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=cEdQ1IuJFH4C&pg=PA172#v=onepage&q&f=false

Soviet Union propaganda[edit]

China and the Soviet Union waged a propaganda war over East Turkestan Independence, with the Soviets trying to incite separatism among the Uyghurs, and China retaliated with jamming and broadcasting of its own. Soviet Muslims (Uzbeks and others) would taunt Russians in the bazaars about the threat of China liberating Soviet central asia from the Russians, and China broadcasted news of Soviet atrocities against Afghan Muslims during the Soviet invasion.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1980/may-jun/meehan.html

http://www.oxuscom.com/sovinxj.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/06/world/on-soviet-china-border-the-thaw-is-just-a-trickle.html

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19810922&id=3oAxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9KQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5348,448513

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1928&dat=19690102&id=ylsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UGQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4665,144363

http://f3.tiera.ru/1/genesis/580-584/581000/08896bda69d79b32dcf80f11fc793dbf

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2010/gb20100528_168520.htm

http://engnews.gazeta.kz/art.asp?aid=308213

http://www.irgamag.com/component/k2/item/6735

Rajmaan (talk) 16:28, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Reddit, twitter, personal blogs are NOT reliable sources[edit]

I don't know how else to put it. It's sort of self explanatory. These sources do not satisfy the criteria for WP:RS. Please stop reinserting them along with primary sources. Volunteer Marek  03:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Verifiability policy clearly states: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities".
This NOT an article about reddit. This is NOT an article about twitter. This is not an article about some blog. Please stop reinserting this crap back in. Volunteer Marek  03:14, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Also please stop removing the relevant tags that I've added to the article. Volunteer Marek  03:17, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Cut it out. We both know this policy refers to material released by a person or organization on social media. Either you didn't read clearly or are deliberately playing dumb, this policy does NOT refer to twitter talking about twitter- it refers to a famous individual or organization running a social media account such as a twitter account and releasing info about themselves, such as Justin Bieber making a tweet commenting about an issue or Human Rights watch running a twitter account and tweeting information on human rights violations. WP:SOCIALMEDIA This policy also applies to pages on social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook.. Turkistan Islamic Party released videos of their activities on social media like twitter, liveleak, and archive.org and they call their media arm Islam Awazi. Long War Journal is a terror analysis website run which is used as a reliable source by media organizations and is RS. FYI I did not use a single reddit thread as a source.
If you actually read the paragraph, you would notice that most the material is sourced from longwarjournal and that the reddit threads are tagged on after a longwar journal source- The Uyghur Turkistan Islamic Party and the Taliban allied Uzbek Imam Bukhari Jamaat and Al-Qaeda allied Uzbek Katibat al Tawhid wal Jihad, along with Jund al Aqsa cooperated together in the Al Ghab plain to conquer multiple crucial villages, with the TIP engaging itn suicide bombings in Jisr al Shughur and iits participation in overrunning Abu Dhuhur with Jund al Aqsa and Al Nusrah. Longwarjournal[1] Reddit [2] The reddits can be removed without any content being affected. I just kept the reddit threads as a reminder of where I got the link for the longwarjournal article from.
You also deleted this paragraph which is entirely sourced by actual news articles. Don't know where you got the idea that this is "Twitter" from. The village of Az-Zanbaqi (الزنبقي) in Jisr al-Shughur's countryside has become a base for a massive amount of Uyghur Turkistan Islamic Party militants and their families in Syria, estimated at around 3,500, military camps in the area are training hundreds of children from these families; Hezbollah media, Iranian media and Syrian government media accused Turkish intelligence of being involved in transporting these Uyghurs via Turkey to Syria, with the aim of using them first in Syria to help Jabhat Al-Nusra and gain combat experience fighting against the Syrian Army before sending them back to Xinjiang to fight against China if they manage to survive.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]Rajmaan (talk) 03:30, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
STSC Benlisquare can someone explain to Marek what this policy means?
Same thing for some of the tweets. I found a link to an Islam Awazi video or picture on a tweet and posted a reference to both the tweet and video (hosted on youtube and archive.org). The tweet can be deleted without any issue in that case.
I often double source with both a secondary source and a primary source or the website of wherever I got the link to the secondary from, its a habit of mine and the extra stuff tagged on can be deleted without any content being affected.
As for the other material sourced entirely from tweets by journalists and counter terrorist analysis organizations and liveleak, I clearly explained how they are RS in the first paragraph.Rajmaan (talk) 03:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Verifiability policy clearly states: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities". If you think otherwise then you're not understanding the policy as written. Volunteer Marek  03:34, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
FFS, the words "about themselves" is BOLDED in the policy text. Volunteer Marek  03:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#Twitter. Wrong again. Read what the policy says and stop telling me to read something you didn't. As a reliable source: Nota bene Sometimes. A specific tweet may be useful as a self-published, primary source. Twitter incorporates a Verified Account mechanism to identify accounts of celebrities and other notable people; this should be considered in judging the reliability of Twitter messages.
Don't know where you got the idea, that videos and pictures showing TIP members released by TIP's media arm has nothing to do with TIP.Rajmaan (talk) 03:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
By the way primary sources are allowed on Wikipedia as long as they are not interpreted. What is the grounds for deleting them?Rajmaan (talk) 03:46, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
You are using primary sources and unreliable sources to construct a narrative. Primary sources should be only used for most basic and non-controversial statements of fact.
And how are liveleak and that warjournal blog reliable?  Volunteer Marek  03:48, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
The liveleak links are not interpretations of any kind. They simply show videos which were released by TIP, showing TIP fighters which is stamped with their media logo. Just as a video created by Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International and put on youtube is a reliable source about HRW or AI, these TIP videos are the same as that. Longwarjournal is a site maintained by former military personnel and academics, and has been used by multiple prominent news organizations as a source. Blogs run by professionals fall under Wikipedia:Verifiability#Newspaper_and_magazine_blogs. And also the tweets by the journalist Joanna Paraszczuk, who is a reputable journalist who works for RFERL and other news organizations. Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi is an academic at Oxford University and a reknown counter terrorist analyst and his tweets are RS too.Rajmaan (talk) 03:54, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
The liveleak links are not interpretations of any kind. - so again, self-published primary sources which you are using to conduct primary research (same goes for youtube videos).
I'm skeptical about LongWarJournal so the best course of action is to ask at WP:RSN about it. Volunteer Marek  03:57, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Most of the liveleak leaks are double sourced to longwarjournal articles and news articles like the Daily Mail. Most can be deleted and the only issue lies with longwarjournal. The stand alone liveleak material is not of really any importance, just a few videos showing TIP members i Afghanistan and I am not concerned about them.Rajmaan (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

The Deleted material (liveleak and all unnecessary links removed)[edit]

Sourced by Long War Journal, Caleb Weiss[edit]

I have consulted RSN for this issue.

most noticeably in the 2015 Jisr al-Shughur offensive.[13][14][15][16] TIP (ETIM) members in Syria fight alongside the Al-Qaeda branch Al Nusrah Front since TIP is allied to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan and conducted suicide bombings for Nusrah Front.[17] Members of TIP have been killed in battle in Syria.[18] TIP (ETIM) eulogized and applauded members of its organization who participated in suicide bombings and members who were killed in action in Jisr al Shughur.[19] Members of the group helped other Jihadists enforce religious law in Idlib such as wrecking alcohol in stores and this was noted that with “support of Allah and by the strike of the fist of the Mujahideen from the Al Nusrah Front, Ahrar al Sham and Turkistan,” that they undertook these actions by a Syrian Jihadist in Jaysh al Fateh.[20] A Jabhat Al Nusra Jihadist called Abu Mohamed Al-Ansari interviewed by VICE News after the Idlib offensive said that "The battle was good, praise be to God. The brothers from all the groups started working together and coordinating. Each faction is responsible for a side. The majority were immigrant brothers from Turkestan. They are the ones who attacked the important points."[21] The spokesman of Jabhat Al-Nusra Abu Maria al-Qahtani claimed that Muslims were "oppressed" in "Turkestan" and that Nusra needs to "defend" them.[22] TIP (ETIM) joined in on the Jihadist offensive in the Al-Ghab plain along with Al-Qaeda affiliated Jund al Aqsa against the Syrian army, referring to the Syrian army by the disparaging name "Nusayri".[23] In Idlib four villages were seized by the Turkistan Islamic Party around August 2015.[24] and the TIP said they "met with the brothers in Jund al Aqsa".[25] The Turkistan Islamic Party and Jabhat Al-Nusra launched a joint operation which overran the Syrian military's Abu Dhuhur airbase.[26][27] The Turkistan Islamic Party released photos of their Uyghur fighters at Abu Dhuhur. At Abu Dhuhur, Sheikh Muhaysini (an Al-Qaeda linked Saudi cleric) took pictures with Turkistan Islamic Party which was released by Islam Awazi.[28] Syrian regime military prisoners from Abu Dhuhur were exhibited in photos released by the Turkistan Islamic Party.[29] The Turkistan Islamic Party's Islam Awazi released photos of its fighters in Syria. The Uyghur Turkistan Islamic Party and the Taliban allied Uzbek Imam Bukhari Jamaat and Al-Qaeda allied Uzbek Katibat al Tawhid wal Jihad, along with Jund al Aqsa cooperated together in the Al Ghab plain to conquer multiple crucial villages, with the TIP engaging itn suicide bombings in Jisr al Shughur and iits participation in overrunning Abu Dhuhur with Jund al Aqsa and Al Nusrah.[30]

Islam Awazi released a video showing Burqa clad women being militarily trained by the Turkistan Islamic Party with guns and RPGs.[31][32][33][34]

Camps training children for Jihad are being run by the Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria.[35] Photos of the child military training camps in Syria were released by the Turkistan Islamic Party, who labelled the children as "little mujahideen".[36][37]

A video of a training camp in Waziristan in Pakistan's tribal areas showing children being trained with weapons was released by the Turkistan Islamic Party's Islam Awazi.[38]

Another photo released by Islam Awazi showed Uyghur children training with AK-47's and with shahada headbands at a camp in the Afpak (Afghanistan-Pakistan) region.[39]

Sourced by journalist twitter accounts[edit]

See my section below on journalist tweets.

Islam Awazi released photos of a Turkistan Islamic Party training camp.[40]

Images of Uyghur Turkistan Islamic Party fighters in Syria were released by Islam Awazi.[41] The Turkistan Islamic Party released photos showing a Uyghur media team with their camera and laptop in Syria.[42]

Photos of a training camp for Uyghur children run by the Turkistan Islamic Party were released by Islam Awazi.[43][44] Photos released by Turkistan Islamic Party's Islam Awazi media which showed Uyghur militants along with Uyghur children in Syria, including one child holding an AK-47, the Uyghurs cooperated with Jabhat Al-Nusra and had pledged alleigance (bay'ah) to Taliban leader Mullah Omar.[45]

Sourced by Terror monitor and other twitter accounts[edit]

Pictures were released by Islam Awazi of Afghanistan based Turkistan Islamic Party training children for Jihad.[46]

Pictures of Uyghur girls wearing Hijab and posing with guns were posted by the Turkistan Islamic Party's Islam Awazi.[47][48][49]

Photos released by TIP's Islam Awazi showed Uyghur children in Idlib, Syria, with AK-47s, reading Qurans, and Burqa clad women praying.[50] The child soldiers were also shown engaging in religious studies.[51]

Use of journalist's twitter accounts[edit]

You are using primary sources and unreliable sources to construct a narrative. Primary sources should be only used for most basic and non-controversial statements of fact.

Are simple statements made by journalists like Joanna Paraszczuk on images not basic and non-controversial? What is controversial about a journalist saying that TIP is training kids, next to an image released by TIP of them training children?Rajmaan (talk) 04:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

First, the talk page is not the place to post "alternative" versions of the article. That section above should be removed.
Second, your link above is to an essay, not policy, and this essay is not even about reliable sources but about external link.
Third, again, you are using primary sources - essentially a single comment. If you got a secondary reliable source that says that TIP is training kids then we can talk. Volunteer Marek  04:36, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Again, its sourced by Long War Journal. Which has been used as a source on multiple articles- 2015 Park Palace guesthouse attack, Abdullah Said al Libi, Amirli, Yathrib, Iraq, 055 Brigade, First Battle of Tikrit, Raskamboni Movement, Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah, Afghan National Army, List of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant members, Ahmed Abdi Godane, Afghan National Civil Order Police, 201st Corps (Afghanistan), Nasir al-Wuhayshi, Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, Qari Hussain, 1st Division (Iraq), Operation Augurs of Prosperity, Sadr City, Iraqi Special Operations Forces, Mullah Mohammad Hasan , Iraqi Navy, Saudi detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Tehrik-e-Jafaria, Iraqi Light Armored Vehicle, Mukhtar Army, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, Camp Speicher. If you feel so strongly that Long War Journal is unreliable I suggest you delete it from every article on this list.
Long War Journal has also been cited by Academics in books published by Columbia University Press, Georgetown University Press, University of Pennsylvania Press, Naval Institute Press United States Naval Institute, in addition to New York Times (two of which were on the newspaper's front page),[52][53][54] Reuters,[55] Associated Press,[56] United Press International,[57][58][59] Sunday Times,[60] The Hindu,[61] Cable News Network,[62] the Times of India,[63] The Australian,[64] CTC Sentinel,[65] Time,[66] The Nation,[67] Washington Times [1],[68] and The Atlantic.[69] Marc Thiessen in the the Washington Post.[70] and by Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Thomas E. Ricks in The Gamble.[71]
Some news organizations have an entire category devoted to articles where they cited Long War Journal on articles about terrorist groups such as Christian Science Monitor and The Daily StarRajmaan (talk) 04:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
By the way, the Arabic news sources about Az-Zanbaqi village also say TIP is training children.Rajmaan (talk) 14:05, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ Weiss, Caleb (September 10th, 2015). "Turkistan Islamic Party releases photos from captured Syrian regime airbase". Long War Journal.  Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3kgv5e/turkistan_islamic_party_releases_photos_from/
  3. ^ http://ar.abna24.com/service/important/archive/2015/09/03/709062/story.html
  4. ^ http://syriaalhadath.com/archives/89517
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  15. ^ "Conflict News on Twitter". Twitter. Retrieved 29 June 2015. 
  16. ^ "LiveLeak.com - Turkistan/Chechnya group releases combat footage of capture of Jsir Shurour". Retrieved 29 June 2015. 
  17. ^ "More on Turkestan Islamic Party in Syria". The Line of Steel. Retrieved 29 June 2015. 
  18. ^ "Turkestan Islamic Party Fighters Killed In Syria". The Line of Steel. Retrieved 29 June 2015. 
  19. ^ Weiss, Caleb (July 20, 2015). "Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria conducted suicide bombings at Jisr al Shughur". Long War Journal. 
  20. ^ Joscelyn, Thomas (July 20, 2015). "Jihadist front established to represent foreign fighters in Syria". Long War Journal. 
  21. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-2uvKfYGQ4
  22. ^ https://imgur.com/u077b4m
  23. ^ Weiss, Caleb (August 9, 2015). "Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria takes part in battle for the Al Ghab plain". Long War Journal. 
  24. ^ https://twitter.com/Weissenberg7/status/629365824063696897
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Suggestion: Move Syrian Civil War related content to Foreign rebel fighters in the Syrian Civil War > China[edit]

I think content relating to the Syrian Civil War and foreign Uyghur fighters in Syria should be moved to this section, and a link should be provided on this article to the moved content.

GeneralAdmiralAladeen (talk) 02:00, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

SITE[edit]

RS source used by multiple news agencies. This will be used to supplement and back up Long War Journal sources, since both often report on the same thing.

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-division-in-syria-releases-photos-of-fighters-camp-for-children.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-division-in-syria-releases-video-on-its-participation-in-jisr-al-shughour.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-division-in-syria-claims-liberating-four-areas-in-idlib.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-division-in-syria-releases-video-photo-album-featuring-young-boys-in-training-camp.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-releases-12th-issue-of-qislamic-turkistanq-magazine.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-division-in-syria-releases-video-promoting-cause-inciting-for-jihad.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-s-syria-division-releases-video-on-joint-operation-with-nusra-front-to-capture-abu-duhur-air-base.html

https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/tip-division-in-syria-claims-role-in-capturing-abu-duhur-air-base-provides-photos.html


http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/about-us/21-jihad/36-tip

Rajmaan (talk) 02:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

The Turkestan Islamic Party's releases of Nasheeds is not directly related to the Xinjiang conflict[edit]

The keyword is directly; you could argue that these Nasheeds attract locals to take up arms and become extremists, however, if you do think something like that, you need to type it out so other people understand the connection, then provide a good reference or source to back that up.

Otherwise, the following content should be removed from the section "Al-Qaeda support for Uyghur militants, and moved to the Turkestan Islamic Party page:


A video of a training camp in Waziristan in Pakistan's tribal areas showing children being trained with weapons was released by the Turkistan Islamic Party's Islam Awazi.

TIP released a video titled “Message to the Mujāhidīn of the Caucasus”. TIP released a video titled “Advice to Our Muslim Brothers in Turkey”. The TIP in Syria released a video series called "Lovers of Paradise".

The TIP in Syria released a video series called "Blessings for the strangers". In the second video of the series, the leader of TIP in Syria Abu Rida al-Turkestani read out a document with an Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban) letterhead, detailing the history of the founding of the Turkistan Islamic Party by Hasan Mahsum and "East Turkstani immigrants" when they moved to Taliban controlled Afghanistan, gave allegiance to Mullah Omar and founded the organization.

The TIP in Syria released a series of photographs titled "Pictures from the land of the Epic Battles (Malaahim)" TIP also released photographs under the Turkish title "Nadir Suretler".

TIP's Islam Awazi released a "Visual Nasheed" (النشيد المرئي) titled "Wake Up Oh Muslim Ummah" (استيقظي يا أمة الإسلام). The end of the nasheed video featured TIP fighters burning a Syrian flag, the burning of a portrait of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and footage of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center, with the Uyghur language subtitles of the nasheed referring to the "Kafirlar" (كافرلار) (infidels) when the destruction of the World Trade Center towers was shown on the video.

TIP's Islam Awazi released a "Visual Nasheed" (النشيد المرئي) titled "Return to Your Religion"

It was announced that TIP's "Voice of Islam" media would be solely released on Twitter, Shamoukh, and Fida'a via the "Global Islamic Media Front".

TIP released a Nasheed “If I Was Killed”.

TIP released a Nasheed “Told From Me, Oh My Father”.

TIP released a Nasheed “Your Giving to the Lord”.

TIP released a Nasheed “You Should Realize, Oh His Mother, Verily Your Son Is In the Way of God”.

TIP released a Nasheed “Lions of Turkistān”.

- CentreLeftRight (talk) 04:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)