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Tick-tock of school foundings[edit]

Biomedicinal, I like the table you built using the schools and their founding dates; it's a good addition to the article. But you replaced the information in the text with a sentence that doesn't even make sense: "Various academic schools of Yale had started to construct since early 19 century." Moreover, and more to the point, the text you removed contains more than just names and dates; it also contains narrative and detail that was lost upon deletion. The table is an elegant way to present the university's organization; it doesn't replace the need for a narrative in the History section. PRRfan (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

21st century history?[edit]

I think most of the contents in the section of "Yale in 21st century" should be put under "Academics" and "Notable alumni" since they're all about current exchange programs or prominent politicians nurtured by Yale. I doubt that 21st century is really "history" as almost all the other continents should be under this since they're all about modern Yale, from academics and rankings to campus life...What is the benchmark of "history"? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Worldwide prestige claim in lead paragraph[edit]

Another editor has inserted the following text as the second sentence in this article: " It is widely considered to be one of the most prestigious and selective universities in the world." The text is supported by four references, described below. The statement is a very expansive one that requires extremely good sources and I contend that these four sources aren't good enough.

Source 1: "Special Reports - Learning World: Prestigious Universities". The meat of this source is a 10-minute video with some very nice footage of Yale and the Sorbonne and an interview with one expert.

Source 2: The Chosen: The Hidden History of Admission and Exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. This book has received many good reviews by scholars and the popular press but it's a little bit problematic to cite in this context as the book is not about the topic for which it is being cited.

Source 3: New York Times "In Case of Big Yale v. Tiny Yale, Victor Kept the Name". One could quibble about whether the author is an expert in comparative higher education but we have a well-established deference to the Grey Lady so this source almost certainly passes muster.

Source 4: The New Yorker "Debating the Value of College in America". This source is cited to justify the portion of the statement focused on selectivity. It's a barely-adequate source but it raises a larger issue that the statement in question is trying to justify two separate claims - one of the most prestigious universities in the world and one of the most selective universities in the world.

The claim, as currently written, lacks sufficient sourcing. This is exacerbated by the fact that the statement is making two different statements, each of which are extraordinary and require extraordinary evidence.

It's true that Yale is one of the most prestigious universities in the world but this statement and its evidence are woefully lacking. I recommend: (a) ditching the claim about selectivity because it requires a separate body of evidence and it's not completely related to the prestige claim and (b) finding much, much better evidence that includes experts in the field that directly address the claim. ElKevbo (talk) 15:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Seconded and removed until better sources are found. Madcoverboy (talk) 01:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Rankings section[edit]

See Talk: Harvard University#Recentism. Jehochman Talk 13:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Signs of identity[edit]

Is it possible to comprise Yale's arms here as shown on this website? Personally, I can't distinguish between the coat of arms, seal and logo in terms of usage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

One in four Maybe more[edit]

The university has a 300 year history. We should not give excessive weight to activism in the 1980s and 90s. A quick mention is appropriate in the section about those decades. I also think it wrong to give undue weight to the idea that Yale was or is the gay Ivy. Other schools like Harvard and Brown are similarly tolerant and progressive. I'd like to see better evidence before we make that claim. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of facts. Sourcing is a requirement but not the only one. Jehochman Talk 04:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Given that Yale has demonstrated a sort of ambivalence about being associated with gay studies pace the Larry Kramer Initiative, while Harvard has not (establishing the first endowed professorship in LGBT studies in the U.S.), I think that's fair. Yale is fairly welcoming to gay students, so some mention is warranted, but Yale's hardly unique in that. - Nunh-huh 22:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Remember, Wikipedia can't agree on the truth value of the statement "Yale is a prestigious university." How much more certain is Wikipedia that "Yale is *the* gay Ivy?" - Nunh-huh 22:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
The problem with prestigious is that it is vague puffery. Far better to make a precise statement like "rated top university multiple times" (cite by whom). Jehochman Talk 11:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
The fact is it is generally perceived as prestigious, not merely perceived by those associated with it as prestigious, which would be puffery. Yet Wikipedia can't or won't distinguish between the two, and "prestigious" and "rated high in college rankings" are not coextensive. And a citation that Osh-Kosh B'Gost College Ratings System considers Yale #3 in its ranking is [1] not only not the same thing, but also [2] not as useful as a bit of knowledge. This inability is a consequence of Wikipedia's construction rules, and is pretty much unsolvable. So we live with it, and I'm not really objecting to it or advocating we try to change it, I'm just acknowledging it makes us look ridiculous :). - Nunh-huh 19:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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