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Mention of Law School in the lead
I added a sentence mentioning the law school ("Yale Law School is particularly well-regarded and traditionally ranks first among national law schools in American law school rankings.") since I thought it would be informative. I just did a quick check and found that the law school is mentioned in the lead section, or else prominently, in several other major languages:
French: Membre de l' Ivy League , de même que sa grande rivale Harvard , elle est en particulier réputée pour sa faculté de droit. [Translation: A member of the Ivy League, like its primary rival Harvard, Yale is especially known for its law school.]
Italian: Particolarmente conosciute sono il suo college, lo Yale College e la sua facoltà di giurisprudenza , la Yale Law School , ognuna delle quali ha formato diversi presidenti degli Stati Uniti e capi di stato di tutto il mondo. [Translation: Particularly well known are Yale College and its faculty of law, Yale Law School, each of which has trained several U.S. presidents and heads of state from around the world.]
Japanese: 大学院レベルでは、特に ロー・スクール （法科大学院）が全米最難関として知られる。[Translation: At the graduate level, in particular Law School (Yale Law School) is known as the most difficult the country.]
Portuguese: O Departamento de Direito escolhe aproximadamente 6% dos seus quase 4.000 inscritos (o mais exigente do país). [Translation: The Law Department selects approximately 6 percent of its nearly 4,000 applicants (the most demanding of the country).]
Spanish: Su escuela de Derecho (Yale Law School) es la más selectiva del país: acepta a sólo el 6 por ciento de los solicitantes. [Translation: Its School of Law (Yale Law School) is the most selective of the country: it accepts only 6 percent of applicants.]
(Full disclosure: I am not affiliated with Yale Law School or Yale University.)
- I actually reverted your addition for it's tone... per Wikipedia:College_and_university_article_guidelines there should be no rankings in lead. Around December 2011 there was a back-and-forth about this very topic, please check the page history if you're interested. I'd also point out that "top-law-schools.com" is not a citable source as per (www.top-law-schools.com/tls-about.html) it is basically a blog. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 22:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
An unregistered editor recently added a sentence to this article noting that "CrowdRank" ranks Yale 2nd its rankings. I don't know of or see any evidence that this novel ranking system has enough significance and relevance to warrant inclusion in this (or any other) encyclopedia article. In fact, the website's description is very vague and does nothing to assure us that the source is reliable. ElKevbo (talk) 06:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Response I have reverted to the edit that included the CrowdRank data. ElKevbo either did not see or ignored basic facts: the CrowdRank platform has over 3 million votes (significant, relevant--monthly visitors readily verifiable via third-party traffic tracking sites), the about section and individual pages together make clear the methodology the site employs--pairwise crowdsourced contests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've reverted the re-addition made under a new account, which I presume you've just created. I suggest you create an article for CrowdRank, with WP:Reliable sources supporting the claims made above for its notability. That's not a prerequisite for using a source in a reference, but it would be a good way to demonstrate its notability and usefulness as a source. Thanks, Lone boatman (talk) 17:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the guidance on this. I have created the wikipedia page as you suggested with the appropriate reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrowdRank. By making the re-addition under a new account, I was not seeking to sockpuppet but was instead trying to be responsive to your original post where you sought to highlight that I was an unregistered user and therefore, presumably, a less credible poster. Please let me know if the wikipedia article if helpful in supporting the point on notability and therefore you are now comfortable with the CrowdRank ranking being included on the Yale page alongside other rankings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saicomments (talk • contribs) 18:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- CrowdRank got deleted an hour ago: I didn't get a look at the article, but the log says it was deleted on grounds of no credible assertion of notability. Sorry to go off-topic a bit here, but I think it's relevant. I've had a quick look online, and the website for CrowdRank's owner CrowdEye currently reads that they've ceased trading. There were some short writeups on TechCrunch about CrowdRank in 2009. CrowdRank.com is up, but there are no contact details on the site - it appears to be running with new content, but there's no clue about who's currently running it. There are currently 2 GNews hits, a press release and a mention on a university blog. So the evidence is that CrowdRank is not a WP:Reliable source yet, so best not to use it as a reference on Wikipedia. Thanks anyway, and I hope this won't discourage you from staying here and editing. Lone boatman (talk) 21:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Top Yale Graduate School Mentions in Intro
I have removed Yale School of Management from the group of grad school programs mentioned as being "particularly well regarded" (Yale Law, Yale Drama, and Yale Art). Yale SOM is very good but Yale Law, Art, and Drama have been consistently ranked number one in their fields, or at least at the very top. Other Yale grad schools at the very top should be up there if someone wants to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milkbaba (talk • contribs) 06:37, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I think Yale Architecture should be removed from the list of "particularly well regarded" Yale grad schools. I realize Yale Architecture is consistently ranked one of the top five in its field , and I realize the definition leaves some vagaries as to what is particularly well regarded, but this category really should be reserved for those grad depts at Yale that are almost exclusively in a league of their own. Yale Drama, Yale Law, and Yale Art are virtually peerless or consistently tied for the number one spot in their fields. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 08:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I reiterate my above point about Yale Architecture and feel it should be removed from the list of top Yale graduate schools. Yale Architecture is a top program, as in top five, but is not THE top program in its field, as the other graduate schools mentioned are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:08, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I added a sentence about Yale-NUS, which had previously not been mentioned at all in the article. The sentence read as follows: "Yale-NUS College is a controversial liberal arts college in Singapore set to open in August 2013 as a collaboration between Yale University and the National University of Singapore." User Cresix reverted my edit and left a message on my user talk saying, "Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Yale University. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you." I disagree with Cresix that the sentence was POV, contained personal analysis, or was not encyclopedic in tone. Cresix's edit summary for the revert complained that the sentence lacked references. Since Cresix was presumably upset about the adjective "controversial," I added three references to support the adjective.--188.8.131.52 (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- Citing 2 or 3 opinions about controversy and using the word "controversial" violates WP:WEIGHT. Find one or two good, reliable sources that report widespread controversy. I'm not saying the issue is not controversial, just that you need much better sourcing. I can find a sourced opinion claiming that almost anything is controversial, but I can't describe it as such in the article unless I can source that it's more than just a few opinions. For example, there are people who claim that the Earth is no more than 3,000 years old, but I can't put that in Earth because it's just a few opinions. Cresix (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- Your objection to the word "controversial" is nonsense, but I'm not going to waste a lot of time dealing with your supercilious behavior. The Yale-NUS article gives a huge amount of evidence that Yale-NUS is indeed controversial. You were obviously aware of the Yale-NUS article, since you edited it recently. I can only assume that you either haven't read the article or are simply bent on imposing your POV about Yale on WP.--184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:40, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
- I see that you also deleted the advert tag from the Yale-NUS article, without participating in discussion on its talk page and contrary to the clear consensus of 3 out of 3 editors who have posted on that talk page. Again, WP is not the place to promote your POV about Yale.--220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:46, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Tick-tock of school foundings
Biomedicinal, I like the table you built using the schools and their founding dates; it's a good addition to the article. But you replaced the information in the text with a sentence that doesn't even make sense: "Various academic schools of Yale had started to construct since early 19 century." Moreover, and more to the point, the text you removed contains more than just names and dates; it also contains narrative and detail that was lost upon deletion. The table is an elegant way to present the university's organization; it doesn't replace the need for a narrative in the History section. PRRfan (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
21st century history?
I think most of the contents in the section of "Yale in 21st century" should be put under "Academics" and "Notable alumni" since they're all about current exchange programs or prominent politicians nurtured by Yale. I doubt that 21st century is really "history" as almost all the other continents should be under this since they're all about modern Yale, from academics and rankings to campus life...What is the benchmark of "history"? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Worldwide prestige claim in lead paragraph
Another editor has inserted the following text as the second sentence in this article: " It is widely considered to be one of the most prestigious and selective universities in the world." The text is supported by four references, described below. The statement is a very expansive one that requires extremely good sources and I contend that these four sources aren't good enough.
Source 1: EuroNews.com "Special Reports - Learning World: Prestigious Universities". The meat of this source is a 10-minute video with some very nice footage of Yale and the Sorbonne and an interview with one expert.
Source 2: The Chosen: The Hidden History of Admission and Exclusion at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. This book has received many good reviews by scholars and the popular press but it's a little bit problematic to cite in this context as the book is not about the topic for which it is being cited.
Source 3: New York Times "In Case of Big Yale v. Tiny Yale, Victor Kept the Name". One could quibble about whether the author is an expert in comparative higher education but we have a well-established deference to the Grey Lady so this source almost certainly passes muster.
Source 4: The New Yorker "Debating the Value of College in America". This source is cited to justify the portion of the statement focused on selectivity. It's a barely-adequate source but it raises a larger issue that the statement in question is trying to justify two separate claims - one of the most prestigious universities in the world and one of the most selective universities in the world.
The claim, as currently written, lacks sufficient sourcing. This is exacerbated by the fact that the statement is making two different statements, each of which are extraordinary and require extraordinary evidence.
It's true that Yale is one of the most prestigious universities in the world but this statement and its evidence are woefully lacking. I recommend: (a) ditching the claim about selectivity because it requires a separate body of evidence and it's not completely related to the prestige claim and (b) finding much, much better evidence that includes experts in the field that directly address the claim. ElKevbo (talk) 15:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
- Seconded and removed until better sources are found. Madcoverboy (talk) 01:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)