Talk:Yoruba people

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History section[edit]

This should be a summary of the main article - it should never differ from it. I've posted the text below to Talk:History of the Yoruba people:

Dierk Lange thinks they came from the Near East.[1].

Others disagree, eg arguing that there is no homogenous group of Yoruba and that different groups came at different times from a variety of places.[2] Movements, borders, and identities in Africa."The different versions ot the migration stories of northern Yoruba peo- ple can be interpreted as an indication of distinct phases of migration from different areas and at different periods, a long history of cohabitation, and the bonds of domination, conquest, and exploitation during the nineteenth century."

Another perspective is offered in The transformation of Nigeria: essays in honor of Toyin Falola[3]:

"An in-depth account of the origin of the Yorubas is a complex task that is beyond the scope of this chapter, for such an undertaking must examine various sources of information, such as oral and written history, myths, folk tales, legends, customs, traditional practices, norms, religion, and art. The need for a multiple approach is based on the fact that early Yoruba history is not available in a chronological body of literature. However, historians have focused on two major ac- counts of the origin of the Yoruba people. The first account entails several versions of a creation story. The Yorubas believe that they are descendants of one common ancestor, Oduduwa, who supposedly descended from heaven with a chain, bearing some earth, palm kernels, and a cock. He landed in Ife where these items were used to establish the earth and its agricultural resources.

The second account is the migration paradigm. Saburi Biobaku posits that the Yoruba people migrated from the area around Egypt in North Africa around 600 A.D. Other prominent Yoruba historians like Ade Obayemi, J. A. Atanda, and I. A. Akinjogbin have suggested that the Yorubas migrated between 500 A.D. and 1,000 A.D.,1 from the Hausa-Fulani area of the Niger-Benue confluence, a region that is much closer to the current location of the Yoruba kingdoms. This theory is often supported by similarities in physical characteristics shared by both Yoruba and Fulani peoples, such as facial marks. Various accounts of Yoruba origins are still accepted by many people." Dougweller (talk) 12:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Why does the material from Dierk Lange persist in the article—unchallenged and in the opening section? It's clearly inaccurate, outdated material that does not need to be included in the entry in any form. If it's a widely held misunderstanding, then, yes, it should be summarized and refuted. It should not be presented as one of multiple, equally plausible scholarly views ("some say this"; "others say this").

I don't know why the author has not acted on the previous suggestions for revision (which provide good material, but give too much credence to Lange's theory). If the author is unwilling to correct the error, I will undertake to do it. KC 20:43, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

Do we really need this many people in the infobox? Étienne Dolet (talk) 08:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

  • I really do wonder myself. It makes the infobox look so untidy!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Fixed duplicate alt parameters[edit]

I fixed the duplicate alt parameters, and caption misalignment in the image galleries by switching to <gallery>...</gallery>. let me know if there are any fundamental problems. Frietjes (talk) 22:46, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Genetics for ethnic groups RfC[edit]

For editors interested, there's an RfC currently being held: Should sections on genetics be removed from pages on ethnic groups?. This has been set up to determine the appropriateness of sections such as the "genetics" section in this article. I'd encourage any contributors to voice their opinions there. --Katangais (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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"Awon Omo Yoruba" is inappropriate?[edit]

@Bappah: can you please explain why "Awon Omo Yoruba" is less appropriate. Basically, in everyday conversations, movies, music, social media, people refer to a yoruba person as "Omo Yoruba" (the singular version), not "Iran Yoruba". Based on WP:COMMONNAME, "Omo Yoruba" is easily the common native title for a yoruba person. How come it is being written as "less appropriate"? Any source to back that up?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:24, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers:
Not Inappropriate, but rather Less appropriate term for Yoruba people , in comparison to/or with "Iran people" Commoner / colloquial speech can be quite different in many ways from more appropriate terminologies.

If a comparison were to be done. Awon is the pluralizing article, Omo (Child or children of), Yoruba (The people) - Literally "The children of Yoruba" which was the exact direct transliteration earlier defined. Iran Yoruba - (Yoruba people/race/lineage). Direct translation. Awon omo Yoruba thus comes off as a compound term trying as best as possible to directly match the idea behind the phrase 'Yoruba people". Yorubas are simply Yoruba, or Awon Yoruba (The Yorubas)

In this case, the earlier term can't be said to be Inappropriate or Wrong, but rather less appropriate than the latter. Iran Yoruba (Yoruba people) or Awon Yoruba (The Yorubas)
On a side note, the Yoruba are already a People, so I don't find it necessary adding "People" to the term unless it is being done in a context to differentiate it from the language. In this case, it isn't. So Yoruba or Yorubas would be best fit. Akin to Americans (rather than American People) or Canadians rather than (Canadian people). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bappah (talkcontribs)
  • You still haven't answered the question. When you say something is "less appriopriate", it means that its usage for the subject being discussed can be considered wrong or offensive in certain scenarios. The grammatical correctness is a different discussion all together, and most times, it is infact irrelevant to Wikipedia's usage of a term. How is using "Awon Omo Yoruba", for a Yoruba person, less appropriate? Does a yoruba person get referred to mostly as "Omo Yoruba" or not?--Jamie Tubers (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC)